I've noticed this among other autistics/non-autistics..Why?

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Ok, so against my better judgement, I give you the benefit of doubt. You're curious, you're not trying to force a viewpoint right?



Ok.... I think.



So, you're saying that you're not proffering an offensive statement, just and opinion... out of curiosity only... and your pearl of wisdom is that anyone who doesn't conform to your belief system is digging themselves into a hole full of hurt.... right... (at least you weren't trying to offend)



Oh great, the evidence of one.... and how exactly is this individual "saved" now? What fundamental difference has it made in his life?



Now... just so that we're on the same page... let's define agnostic...





So you're asking people who have made a decision that God is inherently impossible to prove or disprove and hence unknowable, what made them decide that... and you're suggesting that a disagreement with God or a diagnosis of autism could be responsible....

I think you're more likely to find Logic, Rational Thinking and Science to be appropriate answers here. Agnosticism isn't a denial or even a disbelief. Mainly it's a decision that it cannot be proven. A lack of "blind faith" if anything.

You're asking people why they lost their blind faith.



Oh yes, that's why we post on an aspie forum.

I'm afraid that conclusion makes about as much sense as nipples on men.



Yes, that's it. We have too many family members and that's why we lost our blind faith.



Oh... a positive person who has made a decision that God is inherently impossible to prove or disprove and hence unknowable.

All agnostics don't dress like Goths you know, nor are they wiccans or satan worshippers.



No... you can say that again...



Actually, being a pastor could require a bit more knowledge and tolerance.

Even perhaps reading the bible could help..




Anyway... sorry to take the mickey out of you but such a post warranted a fun response.

I'm an atheist because it's the logical stance to take. Why would I believe in something with no evidence?

I'm a goth because I enjoy that music. Maybe you find it morbid, I just find it beautiful. I don't see it as sad or depressive or whatever. Sorry for being me, I'll go keel over and die if you like.

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Just what "majority" are you talking about? Christians still outnumber atheists, agnostics, pagans and all other heretics by a wide margin, and they, in turn, are vastly outnumbered by Muslims, who even now are wondering what the f**k is wrong with YOU and why you stubbornly and stupidly refuse to acknowledge Mohammad's historical role as more important than that of Jesus. And, BTW, what exactly is an 'agnostic lifestyle'? Do you mean secular? That only exists in your separatist philosophy.

Why do you generalize and assume that everyone who chooses to believe other than you do is miserable and unhappy as a result of that choice? That sort of blind self-righteousness is, along with an unfathomable capacity to cling to cultish dogma in the face of all empirical evidence, the reason Christianity has become reviled by a large segment of western society. An attitude of intolerant superiority (not that non-believers can't be equally intolerant).

As for not wanting to preach, I can see no other reason for the post. Telling anyone with a different belief system that they're in a 'dark pit' sure sounds like all the preaching I grew up with in the home of a Baptist minister.

I used to revel playing the Loki role that Matt Damon did with such a casual smirkiness in Kevin Smith's film DOGMA - where he sits arguing with a nun over how ridiculous her faith is, until he's completely broken it down - even though he knows there is a God, because he himself is an angel. I took great pleasure in reducing their simple beliefs to intellectual rubble, just to see the horror in their eyes as they woke up. It was sadistic and cruel, but after years of forced indoctrination, it was payback time. I'm happy to say I outgrew that.

If your religion keeps you sane and reasonably happy - or even doltishly giddy - good for you! Seriously, whatever works for you I will defend your right to believe, and lash out at those who choose to ridicule you just because it isn't their cup of tea. But if I'm to do that in good conscience - please check the condescending attitude at the door. That I cannot defend. Always be prepared for the possibility that your point of view may not be correct. Or at least entirely accurate.

Personally, I think there is some creative intelligence underlying the structure of the universe as we know it. It seems outrageously simple-minded to believe it all came together from vast galaxies down to subatomic wave/particles by sheer accident. On the other hand, I've looked at all of the world's biggest religions and several smaller ones and lots of philosophies at the far fringes, and not a single one seems to adequately reflect all that I've personally experienced. They're just attempts by spiritual children to explain what is for us, at this point in our development, unexplainable.

If I'm not entirely satisfied with every aspect of life on Earth, it's not from thinking that.

OK it seems like there is only one interpretation of "creator" here and if we're going to limit the concept to that only I guess you'll have to lump me in with the Athiests. There's a really great book that is the transcript of a conversation between Bill Moyers and Joseph Campbell, a comparative mythologist (now deceased). It's called " The Power of Myth". They discuss these things across cultures and religions. Campbell makes an interesting point, I think. He says if you read the Bible literally you miss the larger "truth" of the story as a symbol for the evolution of human consciousness.
The Bible has had an interesting and patchwork history. It didn't come floating down on a pink cloud fully intact. The more you know about it the less likely you will read it literally.

* I thought this was funny- I saw it on one of those history channels-apparently back in the early days of European exploration of the Americas, the indigenous people had been told all about Jesus rising after three days and all about eternal life. Two guys decided to test the theory and killed a missionary and then checked on the corpse after three days. They were unimpressed.

I'm an atheist simply because I realized at a young age how much of a cop out most religions were. Something good happens, thank god for his mercy, something bad happens, god works in mysterious ways. Why does the universe exist, why are here, because god made it is not an answer to why just how.

Religion still doesn't answer the important questions in life like why do people hurt each other, why do people fall in love. It just covers it up in pseudo wise speak and pretend it has answers. God's will explains nothing, it's an excuse created by frightened people who were just starting to get an inkling as to how small and insignificant they really are compared to the universe and the world at large.

Than there's things like confession, which doesn't do anything to make you a better person, it just alleviates guilt. I've got so many reasons really, I could write for a long time but I'd end up offending you in the end, if I haven't already, so I'll stop here.

As for anger at god. Not possible I don't believe he/she/it even exists. What I am angry at is the organizations that sprung up around the idea that went about banning any other idea, condemning people to death for worshiping another faith or even having no faith. Comforting to know that unlike a few hundred years ago I can say I'm atheist without worrying about been burnt at the stake.

As for evolution and science being used for racism, try again, racism existed long before evolution was known about. Evolution just provided a seemingly logical reason to go along with religious ones for condemning those "godless heathens".

Lets look at sexism, most of the ideas used to justify this are religious based with a few half-assed scientific arguments to them back up. Anyone who actually takes science seriously can destroy these excuses in mere moments.

Simply put Religion has killed more people that any other source on earth. Hell Midwives used to treat some sicknesses with moldy bread (primitive penicillin), instead of studying what they were doing church officials condemned it as which craft, most likely sentencing thousands if not hundreds of thousands to death from illness and plagues over the centuries.

It's NOT GOD, it's the people that supposedly represent him/her/it. After you dismiss the people and organizations supporting the idea of god and Christianity and start to take a look yourself, you realize just how weak and nonsensical the idea is.

I think that the OP should perhaps try 'save' fellow members of his church, that is if they are kinda like how mine were when I went. The ones who are mean but tell themselves it's all fine because they have gone to mass/church x ammount of times in a week.

I'm Pagan now and happy, I'm self aware, I respect the earth as much as I can. I've seen enough people who have been really mean and say it's ok because their religion said so, or their religion forgave them or many other things. My personal viewpoint is, if you hurt someone, you try to make it better unless you utterly despise them*. I don't believe that anyone else can forgive a wrong that a person did to someone else. I'm not in any dark pit and the mythology can sometimes be facinating, goth music is nice, gentle and mostly soothing. Oh, and clothes wise, I'm the pastel shaded gal in the shade, sometimes bright pink.


*number of people on my utterly utterly despised list = 0

I'm Pagan and a witch, but don't consider myself Wiccan unless I have to for protection under the law. I'm far from goth and "dark." In fact, none of the Pagans I know are dark by any means.

I think you're lumping not just a whole bunch of people under one umbrella (autistics/neurotypicals??) but also a lot of different religions and beliefs.

First of all, EVERYONE was a racist in Darwin's time, only science has proved that belief to be irrational. Some religions teach racism, such as Mormonism, who believed that the darker your skin, the more evil your character.

Besides, evolution is true in spite of the ways in which this knowledge has been misused in the past. "Fittest" does not mean the most violent, in fact, fitness can include qualities such as cooperation and altruism.

Most of all, people who reject the idea of God aren't necessarily mad at Him, there is no Him to be mad at. Personally, I have arrived at atheism through study of the naturalistic alternative explanations for certain phenomenon erroneously attributed to the devine. God's love is hate, because if we don't share it, he tortures us. Forever. No one who loved you would do that.

I'm a Christian, vote Republican, and live in Texas--but I am as far as one can get from the stereotypical gun-toting, Bible-thumping redneck portrayed on TV and movies.

I am a Lutheran (ELCA), about as laid-back and open-minded as one can get in the Christian world (except for maybe the Episcopal Church and the Unitarians). We recently started allowing gays and lesbians to be ordained as pastors (but unlike the Episcopal Church, we haven't actually ordained anyone yet), and only maybe a couple of other denominations even ordain women as pastors. The Lutheran Church has probably defied every stereotype there is about Christians.

As far as heaven and hell go, I think that people only go to hell if they do something extraordinarily evil. For example, I think people like Hitler and Stalin are in hell, but I think when Judgment Day comes, hell will end up being very sparsely populated.

I believe you when you say you don't want to offend anyone, so it saddens me that you don't realise how condescending and insulting you come across. This kind of attitude and that of atheists who see all religious people as superstitious ignorants are the two faces of the same coin. The ugly coin of intolerance and lack of respect.

me i belive in God (jesus christ himself) for the 1st time of my life and love going to church. i love god hes there for me when im down and out has full faith in me. my religon is Angclian/Christian.

i dont care if people dont want to belief in god its their choice i NEVER ever throw religon down peoples throats

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It pains me to see that you have not been touched by his noodley appendage yet

Here’s my take on it all:

I believe that the universe is an algorithm that God wrote at the beginning. We’re just too stupid to see it.

Scene kids-emos who are HAPPY and whatnot. Those who dealt with those people a lot can explain better than I can probably

I personally believe that all of us believe in whatever we are meant to believe in.. and some of us have to search in the dark areas within ourselves to find it. There was a point in my life where I became obsessed with goth and darkness. I suppose I still am in a sense, and I had just written a book about my life as well as the subject of past lives and reincarnation. It just got published but hasn't been released yet.

...except a lack of science knowledge and hitting children in schools. I went to a Lutheran school from Kindergarten to Third Grads and witnessed and experienced that s**t.



LOLOL



What? Muslims don't outnumber Christians..



if you're destroying their arguments without being mean to them it's not exactly 'bad'.



XD

Pastafarian I see. Discordianism and the SubGenius is "more my cup of tea"