5,000 years of religious bloodsheds in 90 seconds
24 Aug 2009, 6:12 am
ruveyn wrote:
Of course it is silly. If it looks good enough to eat, kill it, cook it and eat it.
no, that's bad, as a vegetarian I can not let such sensless remarks go, I find it far too disturbing, but my real reason for posting is to ask why this thread has so many quotations?
24 Aug 2009, 7:49 am
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Of course it is silly. If it looks good enough to eat, kill it, cook it and eat it.
no, that's bad, as a vegetarian I can not let such sensless remarks go, I find it far too disturbing, but my real reason for posting is to ask why this thread has so many quotations?
The reason why humans are so smart is that we are omnivores. Among other things we eat meat which is a high density source of protein. Yes, yes, I am aware one can get the proteins from veggies, but they don't taste as good and you have to eat a lot of veggies.
Eating meat has made us the "great" species that we are. We walk, we talk, we think and we are dangerous. For over 90 percent of our existence on this planet our species has made meat its main source of protein. We have gotten into regular grain eating only for the last ten thousand years with the development of agriculture. And even then we consumed the milk of mammals (and its by product, cheese).
ruveyn
24 Aug 2009, 8:23 pm
ruveyn wrote:
Yes, yes, I am aware one can get the proteins from veggies, but they don't taste as good and you have to eat a lot of veggies.
That is correct. Veggies lack umami.
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25 Aug 2009, 12:36 am
ruveyn wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Of course it is silly. If it looks good enough to eat, kill it, cook it and eat it.
no, that's bad, as a vegetarian I can not let such sensless remarks go, I find it far too disturbing, but my real reason for posting is to ask why this thread has so many quotations?
The reason why humans are so smart is that we are omnivores. Among other things we eat meat which is a high density source of protein. Yes, yes, I am aware one can get the proteins from veggies, but they don't taste as good and you have to eat a lot of veggies.
Eating meat has made us the "great" species that we are. We walk, we talk, we think and we are dangerous. For over 90 percent of our existence on this planet our species has made meat its main source of protein. We have gotten into regular grain eating only for the last ten thousand years with the development of agriculture. And even then we consumed the milk of mammals (and its by product, cheese).
ruveyn
you say the reason why we're smart is protein, but remember it mostly determines muscle mass, not brain size, besides even though protein would at first seem to be the problem, the only significant difficulty I've had has been obtaining enough fat, protein is easy, meat exists now mostly to satisfy people's craving for fat (as if they need it these days)
25 Aug 2009, 12:39 am
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Of course it is silly. If it looks good enough to eat, kill it, cook it and eat it.
no, that's bad, as a vegetarian I can not let such sensless remarks go, I find it far too disturbing, but my real reason for posting is to ask why this thread has so many quotations?
The reason why humans are so smart is that we are omnivores. Among other things we eat meat which is a high density source of protein. Yes, yes, I am aware one can get the proteins from veggies, but they don't taste as good and you have to eat a lot of veggies.
Eating meat has made us the "great" species that we are. We walk, we talk, we think and we are dangerous. For over 90 percent of our existence on this planet our species has made meat its main source of protein. We have gotten into regular grain eating only for the last ten thousand years with the development of agriculture. And even then we consumed the milk of mammals (and its by product, cheese).
ruveyn
you say the reason why we're smart is protein, but remember it mostly determines muscle mass, not brain size, besides even though protein would at first seem to be the problem, the only significant difficulty I've had has been obtaining enough fat, protein is easy, meat exists now mostly to satisfy people's craving for fat (as if they need it these days)
Getting fat is a problem?
25 Aug 2009, 1:08 am
Sand wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Of course it is silly. If it looks good enough to eat, kill it, cook it and eat it.
no, that's bad, as a vegetarian I can not let such sensless remarks go, I find it far too disturbing, but my real reason for posting is to ask why this thread has so many quotations?
The reason why humans are so smart is that we are omnivores. Among other things we eat meat which is a high density source of protein. Yes, yes, I am aware one can get the proteins from veggies, but they don't taste as good and you have to eat a lot of veggies.
Eating meat has made us the "great" species that we are. We walk, we talk, we think and we are dangerous. For over 90 percent of our existence on this planet our species has made meat its main source of protein. We have gotten into regular grain eating only for the last ten thousand years with the development of agriculture. And even then we consumed the milk of mammals (and its by product, cheese).
ruveyn
you say the reason why we're smart is protein, but remember it mostly determines muscle mass, not brain size, besides even though protein would at first seem to be the problem, the only significant difficulty I've had has been obtaining enough fat, protein is easy, meat exists now mostly to satisfy people's craving for fat (as if they need it these days)
Getting fat is a problem?
a while back I spent a few years of my life under-weight, but I don't eat as much as most, and tend not to like mass-produced overly-procesed food anyway, so it's not as though it's to bad, but saying that protein is a problem is far less true.
25 Aug 2009, 1:14 am
Arcadian wrote:
Sand wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Of course it is silly. If it looks good enough to eat, kill it, cook it and eat it.
no, that's bad, as a vegetarian I can not let such sensless remarks go, I find it far too disturbing, but my real reason for posting is to ask why this thread has so many quotations?
The reason why humans are so smart is that we are omnivores. Among other things we eat meat which is a high density source of protein. Yes, yes, I am aware one can get the proteins from veggies, but they don't taste as good and you have to eat a lot of veggies.
Eating meat has made us the "great" species that we are. We walk, we talk, we think and we are dangerous. For over 90 percent of our existence on this planet our species has made meat its main source of protein. We have gotten into regular grain eating only for the last ten thousand years with the development of agriculture. And even then we consumed the milk of mammals (and its by product, cheese).
ruveyn
you say the reason why we're smart is protein, but remember it mostly determines muscle mass, not brain size, besides even though protein would at first seem to be the problem, the only significant difficulty I've had has been obtaining enough fat, protein is easy, meat exists now mostly to satisfy people's craving for fat (as if they need it these days)
Getting fat is a problem?
a while back I spent a few years of my life under-weight, but I don't eat as much as most, and tend not to like mass-produced overly-procesed food anyway, so it's not as though it's to bad, but saying that protein is a problem is far less true.
I cook at home and dislike commercial prepared foods and invent my own recipes and would have no problem getting fat if I so inclined. Vegetable oils are available everywhere.
25 Aug 2009, 1:31 am
Sand wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
Sand wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Of course it is silly. If it looks good enough to eat, kill it, cook it and eat it.
no, that's bad, as a vegetarian I can not let such sensless remarks go, I find it far too disturbing, but my real reason for posting is to ask why this thread has so many quotations?
The reason why humans are so smart is that we are omnivores. Among other things we eat meat which is a high density source of protein. Yes, yes, I am aware one can get the proteins from veggies, but they don't taste as good and you have to eat a lot of veggies.
Eating meat has made us the "great" species that we are. We walk, we talk, we think and we are dangerous. For over 90 percent of our existence on this planet our species has made meat its main source of protein. We have gotten into regular grain eating only for the last ten thousand years with the development of agriculture. And even then we consumed the milk of mammals (and its by product, cheese).
ruveyn
you say the reason why we're smart is protein, but remember it mostly determines muscle mass, not brain size, besides even though protein would at first seem to be the problem, the only significant difficulty I've had has been obtaining enough fat, protein is easy, meat exists now mostly to satisfy people's craving for fat (as if they need it these days)
Getting fat is a problem?
a while back I spent a few years of my life under-weight, but I don't eat as much as most, and tend not to like mass-produced overly-procesed food anyway, so it's not as though it's to bad, but saying that protein is a problem is far less true.
I cook at home and dislike commercial prepared foods and invent my own recipes and would have no problem getting fat if I so inclined. Vegetable oils are available everywhere.
I don't realy put much effort into it, food doesn't have much apeal to me, the point was that ruveyn's point about protein realy doesn't carry weight, it's not as though getting fat without meat is imposible, but the same goes for protein, and all necesary vitamins, minerals, and anything else people get from digesting food, me and countless like me get by with no problem not eating corpses
25 Aug 2009, 1:53 am
Arcadian wrote:
Sand wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
Sand wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Of course it is silly. If it looks good enough to eat, kill it, cook it and eat it.
no, that's bad, as a vegetarian I can not let such sensless remarks go, I find it far too disturbing, but my real reason for posting is to ask why this thread has so many quotations?
The reason why humans are so smart is that we are omnivores. Among other things we eat meat which is a high density source of protein. Yes, yes, I am aware one can get the proteins from veggies, but they don't taste as good and you have to eat a lot of veggies.
Eating meat has made us the "great" species that we are. We walk, we talk, we think and we are dangerous. For over 90 percent of our existence on this planet our species has made meat its main source of protein. We have gotten into regular grain eating only for the last ten thousand years with the development of agriculture. And even then we consumed the milk of mammals (and its by product, cheese).
ruveyn
you say the reason why we're smart is protein, but remember it mostly determines muscle mass, not brain size, besides even though protein would at first seem to be the problem, the only significant difficulty I've had has been obtaining enough fat, protein is easy, meat exists now mostly to satisfy people's craving for fat (as if they need it these days)
Getting fat is a problem?
a while back I spent a few years of my life under-weight, but I don't eat as much as most, and tend not to like mass-produced overly-procesed food anyway, so it's not as though it's to bad, but saying that protein is a problem is far less true.
I cook at home and dislike commercial prepared foods and invent my own recipes and would have no problem getting fat if I so inclined. Vegetable oils are available everywhere.
I don't realy put much effort into it, food doesn't have much apeal to me, the point was that ruveyn's point about protein realy doesn't carry weight, it's not as though getting fat without meat is imposible, but the same goes for protein, and all necesary vitamins, minerals, and anything else people get from digesting food, me and countless like me get by with no problem not eating corpses
I agree that probably ruveyn is more driven by a taste for meat than any sensible physiological logic but if you find happiness in eating living animals I am equally astonished. I suppose swallowing live insects or even mice may be possible but I don't find it attractive.
25 Aug 2009, 2:20 am
Sand wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
Sand wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
Sand wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Of course it is silly. If it looks good enough to eat, kill it, cook it and eat it.
no, that's bad, as a vegetarian I can not let such sensless remarks go, I find it far too disturbing, but my real reason for posting is to ask why this thread has so many quotations?
The reason why humans are so smart is that we are omnivores. Among other things we eat meat which is a high density source of protein. Yes, yes, I am aware one can get the proteins from veggies, but they don't taste as good and you have to eat a lot of veggies.
Eating meat has made us the "great" species that we are. We walk, we talk, we think and we are dangerous. For over 90 percent of our existence on this planet our species has made meat its main source of protein. We have gotten into regular grain eating only for the last ten thousand years with the development of agriculture. And even then we consumed the milk of mammals (and its by product, cheese).
ruveyn
you say the reason why we're smart is protein, but remember it mostly determines muscle mass, not brain size, besides even though protein would at first seem to be the problem, the only significant difficulty I've had has been obtaining enough fat, protein is easy, meat exists now mostly to satisfy people's craving for fat (as if they need it these days)
Getting fat is a problem?
a while back I spent a few years of my life under-weight, but I don't eat as much as most, and tend not to like mass-produced overly-procesed food anyway, so it's not as though it's to bad, but saying that protein is a problem is far less true.
I cook at home and dislike commercial prepared foods and invent my own recipes and would have no problem getting fat if I so inclined. Vegetable oils are available everywhere.
I don't realy put much effort into it, food doesn't have much apeal to me, the point was that ruveyn's point about protein realy doesn't carry weight, it's not as though getting fat without meat is imposible, but the same goes for protein, and all necesary vitamins, minerals, and anything else people get from digesting food, me and countless like me get by with no problem not eating corpses
I agree that probably ruveyn is more driven by a taste for meat than any sensible physiological logic but if you find happiness in eating living animals I am equally astonished. I suppose swallowing live insects or even mice may be possible but I don't find it attractive.
I meant that I don't eat animals at all, not that I eat them alive, sorry if I didn't make that clear, but I would be astonished to meet anyone who ate live animals as well
25 Aug 2009, 2:49 am
Arcadian wrote:
Sand wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
Sand wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
Sand wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Of course it is silly. If it looks good enough to eat, kill it, cook it and eat it.
no, that's bad, as a vegetarian I can not let such sensless remarks go, I find it far too disturbing, but my real reason for posting is to ask why this thread has so many quotations?
The reason why humans are so smart is that we are omnivores. Among other things we eat meat which is a high density source of protein. Yes, yes, I am aware one can get the proteins from veggies, but they don't taste as good and you have to eat a lot of veggies.
Eating meat has made us the "great" species that we are. We walk, we talk, we think and we are dangerous. For over 90 percent of our existence on this planet our species has made meat its main source of protein. We have gotten into regular grain eating only for the last ten thousand years with the development of agriculture. And even then we consumed the milk of mammals (and its by product, cheese).
ruveyn
you say the reason why we're smart is protein, but remember it mostly determines muscle mass, not brain size, besides even though protein would at first seem to be the problem, the only significant difficulty I've had has been obtaining enough fat, protein is easy, meat exists now mostly to satisfy people's craving for fat (as if they need it these days)
Getting fat is a problem?
a while back I spent a few years of my life under-weight, but I don't eat as much as most, and tend not to like mass-produced overly-procesed food anyway, so it's not as though it's to bad, but saying that protein is a problem is far less true.
I cook at home and dislike commercial prepared foods and invent my own recipes and would have no problem getting fat if I so inclined. Vegetable oils are available everywhere.
I don't realy put much effort into it, food doesn't have much apeal to me, the point was that ruveyn's point about protein realy doesn't carry weight, it's not as though getting fat without meat is imposible, but the same goes for protein, and all necesary vitamins, minerals, and anything else people get from digesting food, me and countless like me get by with no problem not eating corpses
I agree that probably ruveyn is more driven by a taste for meat than any sensible physiological logic but if you find happiness in eating living animals I am equally astonished. I suppose swallowing live insects or even mice may be possible but I don't find it attractive.
I meant that I don't eat animals at all, not that I eat them alive, sorry if I didn't make that clear, but I would be astonished to meet anyone who ate live animals as well
Oysters?
25 Aug 2009, 2:51 am
Africans, south Americans, and Australian Aboriginals all eat live animals(grubs, insects). The Inuit in Canada's north eat raw meat at times, and I am sure that the rest of indigenous polar people do as well.
One of the cultures around Pakistan or India had a traditional meal that was not only raw, but purposefully spoiled. I think it was in India. The government there outlawed it. From what I recall, they sealed meat in a container, with air holes, but not big enough for bugs, then left it in the sun for several days.
And of course there is a type of European cheese that is infested with maggots. Also very deliberate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_marzu
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25 Aug 2009, 3:23 am
Sand wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
Sand wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
Sand wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
Sand wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Arcadian wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
Of course it is silly. If it looks good enough to eat, kill it, cook it and eat it.
no, that's bad, as a vegetarian I can not let such sensless remarks go, I find it far too disturbing, but my real reason for posting is to ask why this thread has so many quotations?
The reason why humans are so smart is that we are omnivores. Among other things we eat meat which is a high density source of protein. Yes, yes, I am aware one can get the proteins from veggies, but they don't taste as good and you have to eat a lot of veggies.
Eating meat has made us the "great" species that we are. We walk, we talk, we think and we are dangerous. For over 90 percent of our existence on this planet our species has made meat its main source of protein. We have gotten into regular grain eating only for the last ten thousand years with the development of agriculture. And even then we consumed the milk of mammals (and its by product, cheese).
ruveyn
you say the reason why we're smart is protein, but remember it mostly determines muscle mass, not brain size, besides even though protein would at first seem to be the problem, the only significant difficulty I've had has been obtaining enough fat, protein is easy, meat exists now mostly to satisfy people's craving for fat (as if they need it these days)
Getting fat is a problem?
a while back I spent a few years of my life under-weight, but I don't eat as much as most, and tend not to like mass-produced overly-procesed food anyway, so it's not as though it's to bad, but saying that protein is a problem is far less true.
I cook at home and dislike commercial prepared foods and invent my own recipes and would have no problem getting fat if I so inclined. Vegetable oils are available everywhere.
I don't realy put much effort into it, food doesn't have much apeal to me, the point was that ruveyn's point about protein realy doesn't carry weight, it's not as though getting fat without meat is imposible, but the same goes for protein, and all necesary vitamins, minerals, and anything else people get from digesting food, me and countless like me get by with no problem not eating corpses
I agree that probably ruveyn is more driven by a taste for meat than any sensible physiological logic but if you find happiness in eating living animals I am equally astonished. I suppose swallowing live insects or even mice may be possible but I don't find it attractive.
I meant that I don't eat animals at all, not that I eat them alive, sorry if I didn't make that clear, but I would be astonished to meet anyone who ate live animals as well
Oysters?
oh, well it's not for me but I suppose that makes sense
25 Aug 2009, 3:28 am
Fuzzy wrote:
Africans, south Americans, and Australian Aboriginals all eat live animals(grubs, insects). The Inuit in Canada's north eat raw meat at times, and I am sure that the rest of indigenous polar people do as well.
One of the cultures around Pakistan or India had a traditional meal that was not only raw, but purposefully spoiled. I think it was in India. The government there outlawed it. From what I recall, they sealed meat in a container, with air holes, but not big enough for bugs, then left it in the sun for several days.
And of course there is a type of European cheese that is infested with maggots. Also very deliberate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_marzu
One of the cultures around Pakistan or India had a traditional meal that was not only raw, but purposefully spoiled. I think it was in India. The government there outlawed it. From what I recall, they sealed meat in a container, with air holes, but not big enough for bugs, then left it in the sun for several days.
And of course there is a type of European cheese that is infested with maggots. Also very deliberate. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casu_marzu
that sounds like stuff that would have a very low survival rate, how did they mange to avoid diseases, poisoning, and that sort of thing?
