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31 Aug 2009, 6:59 am

ascan wrote:

Take a look at the situation over here. Britain was once a sovereign nation. If a law was enacted, it was a British citizen who spoke my language, who used the same roads, shops and services I do, who was responsible. Now it's some bloody foreigner in Brussels who tells me what i can and can't do. They even tell you how many hours a week you can work. This can, I think, be associated with globalisation within the context referred to in the original post. It leads directly to repression. Reducing the possibility of war is not something to be savoured if it is to live fettered by the warped ideaology of some authoritarian quasi-socialist superpower. Destroying such forces was the reason why our nations fought two world wars. One hopes peaceful means can be used to destroy them this time around.

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31 Aug 2009, 7:24 am

ascan wrote:

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Personally I would rather head toward tribalism. Recently, I've come to realize that more law and order only leads to more tyranny. All this globalist movement is going to do is put everyone at the mercy of big banks and big corporations.

And tribalism leads to repression and war. Globalism is just another word for far flung networks of production and trade. It is trade and production that makes us prosperous.

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For the record that whole "80% of our laws come from Brussels" thing is a myth.

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31 Aug 2009, 7:58 am

^^ ascan's a xenophobe who spouts an idiotic ideology based on some aryan supremacist fantasy completely disconnected from anything that can be empirically verified. empty prattle is his speciality.

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31 Aug 2009, 9:46 am

TitusLucretiusCarus wrote:

...completely disconnected from anything that can be empirically verified. empty prattle is his speciality.

Says the self-confessed trotskyist.

Anyway, your political proclivities aside, most of what I say is easily verifiable. I concede, however, that to the blinkered shortsighted mind of certain leftists, lost in their daydream world of multicultural, one-state marxist fantasy, a trip into reality to realise the veracity of my words may be a little hard to take.

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31 Aug 2009, 9:50 am

DeanFoley wrote:

For the record that whole "80% of our laws come from Brussels" thing is a myth.

If it's only 1% then that's still too much.

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31 Aug 2009, 2:11 pm

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Anyway, your political proclivities aside, most of what I say is easily verifiable.

then why don't you verify it?

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31 Aug 2009, 11:28 pm

I tend to think about an ideal world government, although that's utopian, all the world countries becoming states and having their own governors, the benefit being that poor countries would no longer be poor and a possible answer to the problem of poverty, I assume, but given that I know nothing of economics, probably there would be some serious issues related to this, and how this can be viewed from a capitalist, mixed economy and socialist perspective. Same laws and moral values being enforced everywhere and given that there is one single government, I think the notion of moral absolutism would seem to apply. And well, given all that, I realize that is just an utopian idea.

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31 Aug 2009, 11:59 pm

ruveyn wrote:

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And tribalism leads to repression and war. Globalism is just another word for far flung networks of production and trade. It is trade and production that makes us prosperous.

ruveyn

I think I just said that...

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01 Sep 2009, 12:03 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

educate everyone and wanting people to be functional citizens

Yeah, educating everyone seems like a rather difficult task, especially since we are speaking of educating in order to make good voting decisions. Not only that, but a society made of all people being functional seems sort of weird as it would seem to require a large brainwashing program or something.

The education system we have so far does a great job of brainwashing people. Why not at least do it in such a way as to make them effective rather than just slaves?

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01 Sep 2009, 12:25 am

skafather84 wrote:

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

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educate everyone and wanting people to be functional citizens

The education system we have so far does a great job of brainwashing people. Why not at least do it in such a way as to make them effective rather than just slaves?

Because slaves are useful.

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01 Sep 2009, 1:14 am

skafather84 wrote:

The education system we have so far does a great job of brainwashing people. Why not at least do it in such a way as to make them effective rather than just slaves?

Because scrubbing all of the idiocy away is much more difficult than just writing in the muck already there.

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01 Sep 2009, 1:55 am

It doesn't matter what we think, or how we theorise... the world is heading to disaster anyway. We'll have one world government whether we want it or not, and humans being what we are, we'll end up with a one world dictator. It might even (just about) happen in our life time.

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01 Sep 2009, 2:56 am

I think the world should keep moving in circles around the sun...

EDIT: ellipses around the sun... yeh yeh i know orbits aren't circular

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01 Sep 2009, 3:08 am

mgran wrote:

The world has been heading for and realizing disasters for millions of years. So it goes. Whether this very dynamic temporary phenomenon that calls itself human will survive is irrelevant. If humans are not perceptive enough of the limitations of their disruptive conduct to correct it, they will disappear like all species that cannot adapt. The Earth and the universe couldn't care less.

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01 Sep 2009, 7:40 am

Sand wrote:

Bingo! Our existence is a hiccup and glitch in the Cosmic Scheme of Things.

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03 Sep 2009, 5:43 am

So long as we have sufficient Representation...

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