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02 Sep 2009, 7:11 am

Is there a rememberance of Neville Chamberlain's trip to Berlin in 1938? Neville Chamberlain went to Berlin in 1938 on his knees to perform fellatio on von Ribbentrop and Hitler. Peace in our time!! !! !. That yellow belly coward virtually assured the outbreak of the next war (which occurred in 1939).

It took a drunk, foul mouth bigoted imperialist to save England (Winston Churchill).

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02 Sep 2009, 9:38 am

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Is there a rememberance of Neville Chamberlain's trip to Berlin in 1938? Neville Chamberlain went to Berlin in 1938 on his knees to perform fellatio on von Ribbentrop and Hitler. Peace in our time!! !! !. That yellow belly coward virtually assured the outbreak of the next war (which occurred in 1939).

It took a drunk, foul mouth bigoted imperialist to save England (Winston Churchill).

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And, of course, there is that small matter of the English people.



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02 Sep 2009, 11:39 am

It became a world war because most of the West owned the rest of the world. The fight broke out in the colonies as well.



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02 Sep 2009, 11:54 am

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And, of course, there is that small matter of the English people.


Before the many see, One must have the vision. Churchill was just what the British people needed. Chamberlain and his yellow belly lily liver buddies were a near disaster for Britain.

Churchill helped the Brits drill down to the brave core.

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02 Sep 2009, 1:00 pm

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offtopic - Putin is staying in my hometown today for the celebrations of WW2 anniv. and I know which hotel he's staying in... do you guys think I should do anything about that? :twisted:


Ask him why the Russians keep killing off journalists and aid workers.


hmm I was thinking more like throwing rotten eggs in his hotel room window and shouting "you suck!" :p


Don't ever disturb him, he might be spending some time with Madonna....



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02 Sep 2009, 1:55 pm

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Churchill was just what the British people needed. Chamberlain and his yellow belly lily liver buddies were a near disaster for Britain
If it is futile to debate when world war two became a world war, perhaps asking who made it a world war might shed some light. Churchill's resistance strongly influenced Hitler's decision to invade Russia while still at war in the West, not to mention signing a military alliance with a regime tried to crush in the Russian civil war. Equally, Churchill played a huge role in preparing America to play the role the US did. Churchill also strongly influenced British (and American) decision to fight in North Africa. Not that creating a world war was a worse choice than leaving the Nazis to dominate mainland Europe and beyond.

And despite all that he once said after the war that, in relation to Hitler and Stalin, "Sometimes I think we went after the wrong pig"!



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02 Sep 2009, 2:15 pm

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And despite all that he once said after the war that, in relation to Hitler and Stalin, "Sometimes I think we went after the wrong pig"!


What's with referring to them as pigs?


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02 Sep 2009, 2:17 pm

skafather84 wrote:
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And despite all that he once said after the war that, in relation to Hitler and Stalin, "Sometimes I think we went after the wrong pig"!


What's with referring to them as pigs?


Who resembles a pig the most: Hitler, Stalin or Churchill? :wink:


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02 Sep 2009, 2:21 pm

Henriksson wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
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And despite all that he once said after the war that, in relation to Hitler and Stalin, "Sometimes I think we went after the wrong pig"!


What's with referring to them as pigs?


Who resembles a pig the most: Hitler, Stalin or Churchill? :wink:


Churchill, of course.

Was thinking a little more deep into the subtext than that...but I tend to read too deeply into things at times.


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02 Sep 2009, 2:26 pm

skafather84 wrote:
Henriksson wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
oppositedirection wrote:

And despite all that he once said after the war that, in relation to Hitler and Stalin, "Sometimes I think we went after the wrong pig"!


What's with referring to them as pigs?


Who resembles a pig the most: Hitler, Stalin or Churchill? :wink:


Churchill, of course.

Was thinking a little more deep into the subtext than that...but I tend to read too deeply into things at times.

Would have made more sense if he had said "Sometimes I think we went after the wrong moustache"!


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03 Sep 2009, 6:24 am

The events of world war 2 were somewhat a consequence of Hitler, Chamberlain, Stalin, Mussolini, and the leaders of Imperial Japan, among others. These leaders of Japan sought a "retribution" against the Americans, for forcing Japan to open up once again to foreign trade, which led to the fall of the Tokugawa leadership in favor of the Meiji. They felt humiliated by a foreign power. They also sought new sources of timber, minerals and oil, outside of Japan. Stalin wanted to expand his totalitarian dominion. Mussolini and Hitler wanted absolute power, in the guise of lifting their respective nations out of economic collapse, restoring feelings of pride and glory, and creating empires and securing new oil supplies through conquest. A significant influence on Mussolini and Hitler was economic collapse in their countries, and their experiences as soldiers in the Great War. And the Great War was a consequence of technology of the time combined with old politics (Victorian, appropriate for the Napoleonic Era but not for the 20th century) and old ways of doing things.

So World War 2 was basically a consequence of changing politics, economics, and totalitarianism.

After the war, allied nations and the US helped create a more stable economic situation in Europe, and promote Democracy, though primarily against the spectre of communism. The Holocaust also had political repercussions, though carving a chunk out of Palestine for the Nation of Israel makes less sense to me than carving a chunk out of Germany (by the same argument used to create Israel, there would be parts of Lincoln in England, Lüneburg in Northwest Germany and possibly parts of France that I and my brother are the rightful owner of).

Oh, and Chamberlain was a fool. Easily manipulated by the Axis leaders, only took decisive action when forced too. A Weak Leader when Britain needed a Strong one. Churchill, Thank You.


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03 Sep 2009, 8:53 am

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Oh, and Chamberlain was a fool. Easily manipulated by the Axis leaders, only took decisive action when forced too. A Weak Leader when Britain needed a Strong one. Churchill, Thank You.


Right! Jolly good!

Chamberlain and Halifax were wusses and pansies. The Brits needed a positive leader to help them dig down into their native common sense and bravery. It took a foul-mouth, drunk old imperialist bigot to get the job done, but it did get done.

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03 Sep 2009, 1:07 pm

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...It took a foul-mouth, drunk old imperialist bigot to get the job done, but it did get done...

Yes, there's much to be said for your good old-fashioned English bigot. The more drunken and foul-mouthed the better. Unfortunately the current elite are by and large effete, teetotal, politically-correct europhiles consumed by the desire to feather their own nests at the expense of the rest of us. The likes of Churchill would have seen them put against a wall and shot.

God help us...



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04 Sep 2009, 1:20 am

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offtopic - Putin is staying in my hometown today for the celebrations of WW2 anniv. and I know which hotel he's staying in... do you guys think I should do anything about that? :twisted:


Ask him why the Russians keep killing off journalists and aid workers.


hmm I was thinking more like throwing rotten eggs in his hotel room window and shouting "you suck!" :p


I'd be careful about offending Vlad the Irradiator. He has this slight tendency to poison people with polonium when they annoy him.



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04 Sep 2009, 10:47 am

Hmmm Hmmm, for proof of the above comment, just document yourself on Ukraine's president. (I shouldn't spell his name out of respect for the poor guy)