Irrational women

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What is 'pathetic' about that? You were issued a moderator warning for making an offensive generalisation about 50% of the human race. She respectfully sent you a PM instead of warning you in public. All seems perfectly reasonable.

I totally agree. I think this is also why sports are so popular with so many men. Men are expected to keep emotions bottled up, contained, repressed but with an exception. And that exception is sports. When it comes to sports, men have as much permission as any weeping, yelling bridezilla to do some weeping and yelling themselves. Whether participating or cheering on a favorite team, intense emotional expression is encouraged- crying is allowed, elatedly hugging other men is allowed, screaming is allowed, jumping up and down with emotion is allowed. Everything hyperemotional is allowed for men when it comes to sports. Which I think is why sports are so popular. Because men need to let out emotions too, just like women.

She failed to mention it in her post because that's a matter between you and the moderator; she didn't want to call you out in the forum. How is that pathetic?

By the way, you're seeming pretty irrational and hyper-emotional right now...

So is everyone else.

I'm the only one who is rational and non-emotional.

My short answer is I agree with you – I think it’s nature.
Women’s brains seem to be wired a different way.

Also note that A.S. is more common among males.
Then again, in my experience aspies aren’t immune from irrationality (me included), but I think that often has more to do with problems with contextualizing than with being overly emotional.

There was a famous and sad case a few years back that relates to the whole nature/nuture thing. There were two twin boys, Bruce and Brian Reimer. They had to be circumcised as babies, but Bruce’s operation was botched. A psychologist called John Money decided he would test his nurture theory and have Bruce raised as a girl: Brenda. But growing up ‘Brenda’ never identified as a girl, his parents eventually told him the truth, and he had a sex change and became David, but he eventually committed suicide.

I can't help thinking of the following clip-

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPB_EQly1jI[/youtube]

I think when people look at someone else's behavior and call it "irrational," what it really means is "I don't relate to your internal experience." Since men & women have different socalisation, different wiring, different functions & experiences in society, it's probably inevitable that there are times where the other's point of view is going to seem 'irrational.'

Some people would see hand-flapping and say "that's irrational," but of course 'rationality' or not has nothing to do with it.

So is it a generalization that men are more capable because they are thinking with their smaller head?
God I thought NT men were idiots too.

I think one of the best people to consult on this topic is Allison Armstrong.

Men and women are, while very similar in fundamental senses, different in perceptual ones. Men single task much more readily, chop out distractions, and a man multitasking is a man single-tasking rather quickly in segments (like a computer). Women have to grapple more with diffuse awareness - as in they aren't serially multitasking, they're taking in everything at once - whether they want to or not. That's part of why things can be overwhelming for many.

That said though I've met many very strong women and many chestless liberal guys. Seems like in the end, where someone ends up is more individual than otherwise. Each gender has its own battles - women with a fast track mind that won't turn off, guys with aggression or having a sex drive that's a bit like driving a car down the highway, way out of alignment, that they have to keep turning the steering wheel left or right to keep it from going into the ditch on the opposite side of ther road. We're all in our own way constantly struggling and grappling with issues brought on by our own chemistry.

That said though, you have emotionally and mentally strong men - you have emotionally and mentally strong women - and thankfully women are more free to be self-sufficient, independent, and strong than they were in the past. Myself I find that far more attractive (that and, a needy girl would hate me - I've learned along the way that I'm not built for anything other than dating or wedding an equal) - thankfully they're out there in record quantity since the nurture variable in this has been reduced.

So is it a generalization that men are more capable because they are thinking with their smaller head?
God I thought NT men were idiots too.[/quote]

This is a good book on the subject by an autism researcher http://www.amazon.co.uk/Essential-Diffe ... 765&sr=8-2
men and womens cognitive processes are actually different. Nothing idiotic about it

Just another study by a man know doubt

Borat's brother! I like him, he does pretty good research.

Borats cousin . . .

Well... here's what I would think.

I think that this is somewhat nature. Why? Because I think that beliefs like "rationalism" are status-seeking, and tend to challenge the social framework, something that would be advantageous for ambitious young men. However, I would think that being emotional and personal would be more female because it would be more advantageous to women. The reason being that male reproduction is going to be more of a function of having the status required to "be a success". For women, reproduction is going to be more of a function of relating to people, a skill which is less focused on this notion we often call "rationality" and more upon working within a social context.

Do I think that either side is really more rational? No. Both are just adapted to what suits them. Men aren't just being rationalists for the purposes of seeking "truth" but rather they likely are just tempted by the ability to show themselves as "better" than other men, and their "rationalism" is likely in part a bunch of dirty hacks in order to show their superiority.

That being said, I would imagine that personality is going to be a very significant factor between individuals. Also, I would not be surprised if there is a significant level of culture involved.

And yes, this is all just guesses, so if anyone thinks I am being stupid here, I probably am, but I hope I am not making unreasonable guesses.

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Thanks a lot Friskeygirl