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13 Jan 2010, 7:54 pm

Hmm... perhaps in a future society the law would be more strict. Perhaps you would be sent to jail for swearing. Spelling a word incorrectly? Jail. Being a slow driver? Jail. Not getting your work done on time? There's a jail for that. Getting less than perfect grades at school? Instant jail. Lieing. Off to jail forever. Ordering more food than you can eat? Welcome to jail.

Well, you get the point, laws are getting too complex.



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13 Jan 2010, 9:32 pm

Somehow this doesn't surprise me.

Anything seems to go when you're at the bottom of the anarchy chain.


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13 Jan 2010, 9:33 pm

TitusLucretiusCarus wrote:
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Actually, if capitalism really existed, that lady could have made a profit from her orchids and not get arrested by institutionalized violent thugs who fund their operations through extortion.

You commies have so much hate for individualism that most of the time you people call anything "capitalism" and say the most inaccurate things about economics.


go away asper. the only economics i've said something inaccurate about is that which rattles around your head.


You should have thought before you made that comment. Capitalism has nothing to do with the FBI stopping that lady from profiting from her own work. Quite the opposite.



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13 Jan 2010, 9:34 pm

MissConstrue wrote:
Somehow this doesn't surprise me.

Anything seems to go when you're at the bottom of the anarchy chain.


Anarchy chain, what's that?



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13 Jan 2010, 9:39 pm

Replace it with food and then you might get my drift. If not then there's probably no further reason for me to ellaborate other than the fact that people with power and money can do whatever they want to people at the bottom of the economy.

I think there's a lot of truth in the golden rule: "He who has the gold makes the rules."


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14 Jan 2010, 1:19 am

MissConstrue wrote:
Replace it with food and then you might get my drift. If not then there's probably no further reason for me to ellaborate other than the fact that people with power and money can do whatever they want to people at the bottom of the economy.

I think there's a lot of truth in the golden rule: "He who has the gold makes the rules."


Oh ok, you define "anarchy" as "economic power"...
First time I hear that definition.
"Anarchy" has a lot of definitions. I personally define it by its Greek root.
...Semantics... 8O



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14 Jan 2010, 2:03 am

ASPER wrote:
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Replace it with food and then you might get my drift. If not then there's probably no further reason for me to ellaborate other than the fact that people with power and money can do whatever they want to people at the bottom of the economy.

I think there's a lot of truth in the golden rule: "He who has the gold makes the rules."


Oh ok, you define "anarchy" as "economic power"...
First time I hear that definition.
"Anarchy" has a lot of definitions. I personally define it by its Greek root.
...Semantics... 8O


Or you can define it by a state of lawlessness and disorder (usually resulting from a failure of government).


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14 Jan 2010, 3:17 am

ASPER wrote:
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I know I made a previous post on this thread, but I just have to say this: Over criminalization is a serious problem which can result in both the arrest(s) of those who are not only innocent of a crime, but also those who exercise their rights. It makes me angry to see this crap going on and I will NOT tolerate it!! !! ! It is against the constitution to subject a person to unreasonable search and seizure, I will now quote the 4th amendment in its entirety:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"

This means that the government is NOT allowed to come into your house without a warrant, and that warrant MUST have been issued upon PROBABLE CAUSE supported by an oath or affirmation, and it must also describe the location/area to be searched as well as the persons or things which are to be seized from that location. It also means that the government cannot search your papers (such as documents) or your person (body). I am sick of the government's disregard for the Constitution, and I will NOT take it anymore!! !! If I get shot in the process, then I will die fighting for my freedom as a citizen of the United States. GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME DEATH!



Most of you people in the "patriot movement" only want to treat the symptoms. Get rid of the corrupt politicians in Washington(about 99.5% of them, good f*****g luck with that) and put descent ones.
Wrong!
A central government is power centralized, it can only lead to more centralization so even if you manage to get rid of all the crooks in Washington and install decent people, the system will gradually degenerate because of its nature to use violence against others and extort money to maintain itself.
The significant solution is secession. Very few are proposing it. All mainly because of pride and the "leaders" you people follow who want to "take the republic back".
The republic is a failure! Abort! It caused more damage than freedom!

You don't need to shoot one bullet to have freedom.
If all of you put humanity above an arbitrary set of imaginary borders, a flag and an anthem, you will have real change.
How are you going to get rid of 99% of the politicians? The government has been breaking it's own rules for years now and I don't think they can be kicked out unless they are found guilty of a crime.


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15 Jan 2010, 7:11 am

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15 Jan 2010, 7:24 am

ValMikeSmith wrote:
Microsoft is the government you elected by funding their world domination
"campaign" and Agreeing to their EULA laws.

The old government ruled against Microsoft and Microsoft bought a new one.

Less than 2 years left to switch to Linux!
Free plus freedom from the FREE SOFTWARE FOUNDATION.
When stuff works, you don't have to keep buying new stuff to replace it.
EULA is the law of the Microsoft Dictatorship that PWNs you.
Totally unconstitutional, satans soul contract, from the Gates of Hell.

Try KNOPPIX 6 iso on a Pentium 3. Faster than Windows 7 on P4 and COOLER GUI!
Get it from Bittorrent and burn a disc or more today!
RUNS ON CD or DVD.
DVD VERSION COMES WITH LOTS OF FREE SOFTWARE. NO HARD DRIVE NEEDED!
If you don't like it you could always get your zero cents back!


The Bill Gates of Hell? I thought he had a house on the West Coast.



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15 Jan 2010, 8:05 pm

LiberalJustice wrote:
ASPER wrote:
LiberalJustice wrote:
I know I made a previous post on this thread, but I just have to say this: Over criminalization is a serious problem which can result in both the arrest(s) of those who are not only innocent of a crime, but also those who exercise their rights. It makes me angry to see this crap going on and I will NOT tolerate it!! !! ! It is against the constitution to subject a person to unreasonable search and seizure, I will now quote the 4th amendment in its entirety:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"

This means that the government is NOT allowed to come into your house without a warrant, and that warrant MUST have been issued upon PROBABLE CAUSE supported by an oath or affirmation, and it must also describe the location/area to be searched as well as the persons or things which are to be seized from that location. It also means that the government cannot search your papers (such as documents) or your person (body). I am sick of the government's disregard for the Constitution, and I will NOT take it anymore!! !! If I get shot in the process, then I will die fighting for my freedom as a citizen of the United States. GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME DEATH!



Most of you people in the "patriot movement" only want to treat the symptoms. Get rid of the corrupt politicians in Washington(about 99.5% of them, good f***ing luck with that) and put descent ones.
Wrong!
A central government is power centralized, it can only lead to more centralization so even if you manage to get rid of all the crooks in Washington and install decent people, the system will gradually degenerate because of its nature to use violence against others and extort money to maintain itself.
The significant solution is secession. Very few are proposing it. All mainly because of pride and the "leaders" you people follow who want to "take the republic back".
The republic is a failure! Abort! It caused more damage than freedom!

You don't need to shoot one bullet to have freedom.
If all of you put humanity above an arbitrary set of imaginary borders, a flag and an anthem, you will have real change.
How are you going to get rid of 99% of the politicians? The government has been breaking it's own rules for years now and I don't think they can be kicked out unless they are found guilty of a crime.




About getting rid of politicians I was referring to the fact that you people want this. Not me. I want to do away with the State altogether.
You can't arrest politicians using the same laws that they create and eventually evade, you just stated these contradictions(bolded and italized).

About all politicians are corrupt except Ron Paul(some are closer to his ideas but still very far).
Ron Paul wants as little State as possible, which will lead to the fragmentation of the US as people start realizing that a central government's power grow over the power of the individual states. He has stated that if the people seek secession it should be given to them, remembering people that secession is what America was funded on.
I advocate secession because it is what breaks the FED apart, stops Washington from robbing the states, therefore it prevents its expansion, not only domestically but internationally.
Wars of the magnitude of Iraq and Afghanistan cannot be funded with the budget of a single state's treasury.

California, Texas and Florida would be among the top 15 economies of the world if they were independent states.
Small states like Liechtenstein, Monaco and Qatar have no large armies and they aren't being invaded, "National Security" is a myth, a scare tactic to demand money to militarize empires.
We can take care of ourselves locally.



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15 Jan 2010, 10:02 pm

ASPER wrote:
LiberalJustice wrote:
ASPER wrote:
LiberalJustice wrote:
I know I made a previous post on this thread, but I just have to say this: Over criminalization is a serious problem which can result in both the arrest(s) of those who are not only innocent of a crime, but also those who exercise their rights. It makes me angry to see this crap going on and I will NOT tolerate it!! !! ! It is against the constitution to subject a person to unreasonable search and seizure, I will now quote the 4th amendment in its entirety:

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized"

This means that the government is NOT allowed to come into your house without a warrant, and that warrant MUST have been issued upon PROBABLE CAUSE supported by an oath or affirmation, and it must also describe the location/area to be searched as well as the persons or things which are to be seized from that location. It also means that the government cannot search your papers (such as documents) or your person (body). I am sick of the government's disregard for the Constitution, and I will NOT take it anymore!! !! If I get shot in the process, then I will die fighting for my freedom as a citizen of the United States. GIVE ME LIBERTY, OR GIVE ME DEATH!




Most of you people in the "patriot movement" only want to treat the symptoms. Get rid of the corrupt politicians in Washington(about 99.5% of them, good f***ing luck with that) and put descent ones.
Wrong!
A central government is power centralized, it can only lead to more centralization so even if you manage to get rid of all the crooks in Washington and install decent people, the system will gradually degenerate because of its nature to use violence against others and extort money to maintain itself.
The significant solution is secession. Very few are proposing it. All mainly because of pride and the "leaders" you people follow who want to "take the republic back".
The republic is a failure! Abort! It caused more damage than freedom!

You don't need to shoot one bullet to have freedom.
If all of you put humanity above an arbitrary set of imaginary borders, a flag and an anthem, you will have real change.
How are you going to get rid of 99% of the politicians? The government has been breaking it's own rules for years now and I don't think they can be kicked out unless they are found guilty of a crime.




About getting rid of politicians I was referring to the fact that you people want this. Not me. I want to do away with the State altogether.
You can't arrest politicians using the same laws that they create and eventually evade, you just stated these contradictions(bolded and italized).

About all politicians are corrupt except Ron Paul(some are closer to his ideas but still very far).
Ron Paul wants as little State as possible, which will lead to the fragmentation of the US as people start realizing that a central government's power grow over the power of the individual states. He has stated that if the people seek secession it should be given to them, remembering people that secession is what America was funded on.
I advocate secession because it is what breaks the FED apart, stops Washington from robbing the states, therefore it prevents its expansion, not only domestically but internationally.
Wars of the magnitude of Iraq and Afghanistan cannot be funded with the budget of a single state's treasury.

California, Texas and Florida would be among the top 15 economies of the world if they were independent states.
Small states like Liechtenstein, Monaco and Qatar have no large armies and they aren't being invaded, "National Security" is a myth, a scare tactic to demand money to militarize empires.
We can take care of ourselves locally.


I wonder why you are convinced there are enough people fascinated by this nonsense to make a viable political movement.



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15 Jan 2010, 10:19 pm

The DLC Corporatist Nanny-Statists need to be kicked out of the Democratic Party and the Fascist Republicans can go jump off a bridge.


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