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07 Dec 2009, 8:42 pm

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As for referenda, they can be problematic look what happened in Switzerland. They provoke knee jerk emotional responses without really thinking things through.

If you like we can abolish MPs, political parties and elections and just have a website where people suggest ideas for referendums and then slowly descend into chaos “Never-end-um”

... and that would be called "democracy", aka "mob rule"!

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If knowledge is so impotent why is so much effort made to suppress it?

Do you have any examples?

Since you are an American living in the USA during the G.W.Bush regime I do not find that a particularly bright question.

I am not aware of anything significant being supressed here. Now that the deception has been established and the delusion is running strong, most everything seems to be hidden in plain sight. But, maybe you know more than I.

Since you are unaware of anything being hidden by the G.W.Bush regime I can only conclude there is a major lack in your most elemental perceptive capabilities and this makes worthwhile discussion with you totally futile.

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08 Dec 2009, 10:37 pm

In the U.S., they've created billions and billions of dollars in the last couple of years, and there's no inflation in sight. In fact, deflation remains the bigger risk. Something to think about.

By the way, as private debt is the biggest impediment to recovery in the U.S, a bout of hyperinflation may do them good - their debts would disappear like that.

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09 Dec 2009, 12:45 am

It smells anarchic up in here!

Lack of reasoning is everyone's enemy.
The State comes about through lack of reasoning.

What else can it be said?
Taxation = extortion.
State economic regulation = creator of monopolies.
Welfare = creation of future supporters of institutionalized coercion.

...Great topic, would like to see others get involved and debate on the subject. AS individualism could help see the point.

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09 Dec 2009, 12:49 am

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The concept that any social group such as a city or a state or a nation can exist and function without taxes is one of the most idiotic ideas that seems to have acceptance around here.

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09 Dec 2009, 4:20 am

Sand wrote:

The concept that any social group such as a city or a state or a nation can exist and function without taxes is one of the most idiotic ideas that seems to have acceptance around here.

Those with the guns will always be able to extort the funds they want from those without the guns. Call it taxes. Call it rent. Call it Your Fair Share. Call it potatoe. It is armed robbery and it will always happen.

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09 Dec 2009, 8:29 am

Sand wrote:

The concept that any social group such as a city or a state or a nation can exist and function without taxes is one of the most idiotic ideas that seems to have acceptance around here.

True, but that's why taxation is a necessary evil that must be strongly controlled. It's part of why gun control is so evil. Disarm the population and you don't have to care about them getting upset about your raising taxes year after year.

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09 Dec 2009, 9:44 am

zer0netgain wrote:

Sand wrote:

The concept that any social group such as a city or a state or a nation can exist and function without taxes is one of the most idiotic ideas that seems to have acceptance around here.

During my lifetime five cents used to buy what two dollars now buys. That's why taxes go up.

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09 Dec 2009, 11:06 am

Sand wrote:

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Sand wrote:

The concept that any social group such as a city or a state or a nation can exist and function without taxes is one of the most idiotic ideas that seems to have acceptance around here.

During my lifetime five cents used to buy what two dollars now buys. That's why taxes go up.

Um, no.

You're talking about inflation, which is largely due to a devaluation of the currency. In simple terms, if we all paid 5% in taxes 40 years ago and it was just inflation that was an issue, you'd still be paying 5% in taxes today.

Americans are being taxed to death...mostly to pay for a mountain of unneeded government programs that benefit a few special interests and to repay an out-of-control amount of federal debt that we were never supposed to incur in the first place.

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09 Dec 2009, 11:09 am

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Inactivity of the citizenship - that's what people should really be afraid of.

Think about THAT little nugget of amateur political commentary for a few moments.

In a word, laziness is The Enemy.

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09 Dec 2009, 11:11 am

zer0netgain wrote:

Sand wrote:

zer0netgain wrote:

Sand wrote:

The concept that any social group such as a city or a state or a nation can exist and function without taxes is one of the most idiotic ideas that seems to have acceptance around here.

During my lifetime five cents used to buy what two dollars now buys. That's why taxes go up.

Well, The percentage of tax the very rich pay is considerably less than in the early 20th century and the useless expensive wars in Iraq and Afghanistan certainly add neither security nor any other general benefit so we seem to agree to a degree.

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09 Dec 2009, 8:06 pm

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Since you are unaware of anything being hidden by the G.W.Bush regime ...

You read far too much from between the lines.

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09 Dec 2009, 8:12 pm

leejosepho wrote:

Sand wrote:

Since you are unaware of anything being hidden by the G.W.Bush regime ...

You read far too much from between the lines.

Since what is between the lines shouts out more clearly than the lines themselves that is where the cogent information is evident.

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10 Dec 2009, 9:07 pm

ruveyn wrote:

kaworuchan42 wrote:

Inactivity of the citizenship - that's what people should really be afraid of.

Think about THAT little nugget of amateur political commentary for a few moments.

In a word, laziness is The Enemy.

ruveyn

Glad somebody here got what I was trying to say.

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10 Dec 2009, 9:33 pm

The number one enemy of freedom is too much freedom. The neo-nazis in the US are allowed to say and promote their racist ideology all they want because it is protected in the US constitution. In the UK, muslim extremists are allowed (in practise) to freely preach jihad and glorify terror attacks such as 9/11 or the 7/7 bombings. As a result, the UK government has foiled like 30 terror plots since 9/11 (or maybe since 7/7) and Britain now faces constant terror threats. I've read that young muslims who grow up in moderate muslim families are embracing the radical ideologies because they get exposed to the teachings of radical muslim clerics and leaders living in the UK.

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10 Dec 2009, 9:48 pm

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One of the intrinsic problems in any society is the illusion that a generality can solve all problems. The solution to the propagation of violent social activity is not coercive legalisms but the cultivation of a culture that thinks clearly and can easily reject vicious nonsense. This is very difficult as an objective and requires intelligence and analytical ability and a basic set of understandings of decent respect for individuals and takes a long time and great care to instill. The easy solutions such as tough legal restrictions on behavior enforced by the police or military eventually leads to worse violence in the end or a brutal police society.

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10 Dec 2009, 11:22 pm

Sand wrote:

The easy solutions such as tough legal restrictions on behavior enforced by the police or military eventually leads to worse violence in the end or a brutal police society.

It depends. If the "illegal" behaviour you are trying to enforce is already part of the culture then it might be worse in the end. Thats why governments need to take action before it is too late. From my example, radical islam is still a tiny minority within the UK muslim community so if the government really tried, they could have taken action while at the same time show cooperation with the mainstream muslim community by respecting them etc etc...

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