leejosepho wrote:
I was speaking of the kind of truth that is not dependent upon belief:
1. Conformity to fact or reality; exact accordance with that which is, or has been, or shall be.
2. True state of facts or things.
(The duty of a court of justice is to discover the truth. Witnesses are sworn to declare the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.)
Definition number two is just an "example" of "use", as it doesn't actually say what a "true state" means, and number one says that it is "conformity to or exact concordance with"
reality. "Reality" is something which recedes as approach it! Who defines what "reality" is at any given moment, but society and/or people?
"True" is just a value judgement, which is applied by society/people to what they perceive as reality. When most people thought that the sun orbited the earth it is a fact that that idea of reality
was the "truth", and the idea that the earth orbited the sun was
not "the truth".
As it is humans, and humans only, that use the word "truth", it was therefore actually "true", then, that the sun orbited the sun. The fact that the earth has always orbited the sun is irrelevant to the fact that humans decide what is true, what things "are" true, and that this changes irrespective of any absolute reality.
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