Abortion

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Magnus not even such an insensitive brute as i would consider throwing stones. Your story sounds harrowing, I can never begin to imagine what this must have been like for you. thank you for sharing your story.

It's out of "1984".

You CRAWLED bloody heck Orwell I know that you are very advanced but I never realised just how far, next thing we will find out you were working in a distro at the same time

Oh thanks, then I guess to really understand the meaning in it I should really see it in its context. I can relax now.

Oh yeah, if you haven't read 1984 that sigline would probably seem really freaky... sorry about that, I was in a cynical mood when I registered as "Orwell" here and I picked my sig, pic etc just to be consistent.

Oh okay. That makes sense. I appreciate consistency...... And sometimes inconsistency. lol

Thanks, I was very reluctant to share it. There will always be much left unsaid about that.

Well, I'll wade in.

My best friend from college was the product of an adulterous affair. His mother could have legally aborted him and been done with it. Instead, she opted to give him up for adoption. This is significant since this happened during the Vietnam war and her HUSBAND was overseas and scheduled to return to the states dangerously close to when she was supposed to give birth.

He's now married with a kid of his own and a pastor over two churches.

This being his history, he researched abortion, how it is used, justified, etc.

He found that in the overwhelming majority of cases (around 95%) abortions are performed for little more than the convenience of the mother (who for WHATEVER REASON says she can not bear to bring the child into the world). Incidents where rape was the cause of pregnancy never exceeded 10% of cases.

He also is disgusted with how much of a money-making enterprise the abortion industry has become. His wife lost her first child. It died in the womb. The papers they had to sign as medical waivers and disclosures about THE RISKS of terminating the pregnancy were staggering in number, and this was a case where the child already was dead...they had to remove it from her body.

He knows that abortion clinics DO NOT disclose all of these risks to young women seeking an abortion. There simply is no argument that a standard pregnancy going to full term is more dangerous than an abortion. The abortion is several times more dangerous to the long-term health of any given mother than carrying a child to term. How abortion clinics get away with not having to disclose all of this to every patient is beyond his comprehension.

Certainly, there may be cases where an abortion is necessary, but on a practical level, such cases are EXCEPTIONALLY RARE. Decriminalizing abortion only resulted in a for-profit industry that encourages it being used as a "day after" form of birth control.

Definitely. Many of the people who loudly proclaim themselves pro life don't take abortion seriously. Two posters have mentioned that most abortions are performed for purposes of birth control. The best way to reduce the number of abortions is to offer alternative methods of birth control. Counterproductive policies are to insist on abstinence only, to campaign against sex education, to campaign against contraception, to take away money from organizations that offer contraception. The Roman Catholic church is a good example of not taking abortion seriously. It says abortion is murder, but actions speak louder than words, and its actions show that the church thinks its take on sexual morality is far more important than murder.

Anyone who is serious about opposing abortions should campaign for early education about contraception, for research into safe long-term contraception and for everyone to take it up when it becomes available (to anticipate the conspiracy theorists, I am not talking about legal measures you would think of as socialist, just that taking long-term contraception could be a social norm). The more people can have children only when they make a positive decision to have a child, the lower the abortion rate will be.

I find the common terms on both sides to be misnomers.

Pro-life was supposed to be conception to grave, and include quality of life. That was the concept advanced in the papers by Pope Paul II. Aid for the poor, avoidance of war, no death penatly, and so on. As a complete picture there would rarely be a need or desire for elective abortion, but no one is advancing the complete picture.

Pro-choice makes no reference to the fact that a potential new life is involved, and that any decisions made need to be made with a sense of responsibility to that potential life. And, truth be told, most of who have an abortion feel that they have no choice, that termination is the only logical solution. Elective or not, for the convenience of the mother or not, that is how these women feel at that point in time.

As a legal matter, I believe the law has no place. But this isn't some absolute right. It is a difficult decision that is best left to the person given responsibility for the potential life. I'm not going to fight for government or insurance funding or broad access; I am only going to fight to keep the law and the government out of it. Yeah, I had to explain that on the phone to an activist looking for my money the other day. What she was tryng to get me scared of I wasn't willing to fight against.

As a personal matter, I believe we should all do everything we can to reduce the incident of abortion. That may mean discussing why someone is choosing to take an amnio while pregnant (I passed, but the doctor was so afraid of me suing if I delivered anything but a perfect child that I had to spend quite some time convincing him I knew what I was doing). That may mean teaching someone about birth control, or expanding sex education. That may mean increasing financial support to someone who has made bad decisions. And that may mean talking to a friend to make sure she realizes she has choices, and that ending the pregnancy is not the only option. In other words, take the tact that actually works, and LIVE pro-life, in the real sense of the term, not just shout and vote pro-life, in the misused sense of the term.

Well said


(apart from your apparent misunderstanding of socialism )

Pro whose life? The life of a woman or the life of a fetus inside her body?

ruveyn

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Part of being a chicken is coming from an egg, if the egg didn't come first it isn't a chicken.

It is just a chicken-like thing.

I am pro-life.

Of mother or embryo?