Z-Day 2010 - "Be the change we want to see in the world
911 nutters don't watch Zeitgeist movies, they watch "official" State-approved propaganda.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoDqDvbgeXM&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Go old Noam Chomsky. Very intelligent man. I recently read his book "Hedgemony or Survival - America's quest for global dominance".
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"We can spend the rest of our existences stomping on the ants that are mysteriously coming out from under the refridgerator, or we can remove the spoiled food behind it which is causing the infestation to begin with." - Peter Joseph
Ok dude, first off I think you are confusing the Zeitgeist Movement, with the 9/11 Truth Movement. Two COMPLETELY seperate and differing organisations.
After dealing with enough internet BS I can not help myself and have tagged all the sources of BS into the same group. I know it is a gross generalization. But I am a systems guy and part of my role in guy is to model the world into simpler versions that are easier to be understood. In any case, all sources of internet BS can be classified under the same tag : "BS spreader" .
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The Movie on his website is his perspective that in order to introduce people to the train of thought and frames of reference that The Zeitgeist Movement is coming from, (VERY foreign to the established way of thinking by the way, THAT is why you guys are having such a hard time with it)
Aha
Indoctrination is everything in this system, without it, people would think for themselves and therefore be impossible to manipulate into buying things they don't even need and vote for people that say such lovely things and believe that there is actually a possibility of hope in our elected leaders.
So to sum up, No, The Zeitgeist Movement is SEPERATE from the 9/11 Truth Movement.
Ah, I see. Ok.
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My random guess of what this is:
* Just another scheme to make the price of gold go up through speculation and conspiracy theories.
* Just another cult.
* Bunch of kids wanting to sound smart by saying that everything mainstream is wrong.
* All three of them.
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911 nutters don't watch Zeitgeist movies, they watch "official" State-approved propaganda.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoDqDvbgeXM&feature=player_embedded[/youtube]
Go old Noam Chomsky. Very intelligent man. I recently read his book "Hedgemony or Survival - America's quest for global dominance".
He's especially intelligent when it comes to deconstructing and weakening conspiracism among leftists.
Vexcalibur, seriously, your immaturity and ignoance are rdiculously irrelevant. I'm not gona take you seriously until you can actually be sensible. What do you hope to acheive by posting a whole paragraph of blahs? For one it shows how sarcastic and childish you are. Grow up and engage me intellectually. Then we'll chat.
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"We can spend the rest of our existences stomping on the ants that are mysteriously coming out from under the refridgerator, or we can remove the spoiled food behind it which is causing the infestation to begin with." - Peter Joseph
True. I respect him as a human being, not as a conspiracy theorist. I am aware of many conspiracy theories, some I take on board and consider for their validity and feasability, some I realise that they are simply ridiculous.
The term "Conspiracy theory" has become a loaded and derogatory term now. It paints in the minds of people the image of a obssessive hermit who is fixated by the idea that there is some over-arching molevolant plan by the rich and powerful to do evil deeds to those under them. The reality is tht there are a huge number of the population who see many many inconsistencies and apparent criminalities in the world in which we live. Their pursuit is, to quote the motto of the 9/11 truth movement, to ""Ask questions. Demand answers."
I don't deal in conspiracy theories. I deal in conspiracy fact.
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"We can spend the rest of our existences stomping on the ants that are mysteriously coming out from under the refridgerator, or we can remove the spoiled food behind it which is causing the infestation to begin with." - Peter Joseph
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCWxzivI-J8[/youtube]
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"We can spend the rest of our existences stomping on the ants that are mysteriously coming out from under the refridgerator, or we can remove the spoiled food behind it which is causing the infestation to begin with." - Peter Joseph
Fair play dude. I'd love to talk to people here. It's a shame that others wish to be obtuse. I can't blame those who attack me and my values. They are foreign to them afterall.
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"We can spend the rest of our existences stomping on the ants that are mysteriously coming out from under the refridgerator, or we can remove the spoiled food behind it which is causing the infestation to begin with." - Peter Joseph
I'm sorry, AAU, but "fair play" isn't listed in the site's rules - they apply to everyone, and do not excuse retaliatory behavior. The warning applies to all involved, not just you. If you must attack, attack the idea and not the person - or don't take part in the discussion.
M.
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My thanks to all the wonderful members here; I will miss the opportunity to continue to learn and work with you.
For those who seek an alternative, it is coming.
So long, and thanks for all the fish!
I'm sorry, AAU, but "fair play" isn't listed in the site's rules - they apply to everyone, and do not excuse retaliatory behavior. The warning applies to all involved, not just you. If you must attack, attack the idea and not the person - or don't take part in the discussion.
M.
"fair play" where I come from means "good point", or "very well" or "fair enough". It is not my intention to imply that I am above any rules. I am commending your intervention. Not condemming it.
My responses are not personal attacks. I do not know the people attacking me. Therefore I cannot attack them personally. I attack the results of the values that have been taught to them by society. Society propagates values that keeps it standing. And puts opposing values into disrepute, therefore it teaches similar values to the people within the society. That is my stance. When I know someone I have the ability to attackl them. However that does not mean I would. Let alone if they are a stranger on a forum.
You understand it is not my intention to harm or offend anyone. Afterall, the unofficial motto of the Zeitgeist Movement is, as Mohandas Ghandi said "We must be the change we want to see in the world".
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There may be conspiracies which are real. such as involving corporate fraud, embezzlement, and other financial junk like that. Often there have been planned assassinations throughout history. The word "conspiracy" means to "breathe", or talk, together. Plotting, planning. That sort. Any type of conference of authorities could, technically, be called a "conspiracy". However, the pejorative meaning is usually referring to accusations of people who are enemies in public view plotting with each other for their own purposes.
In terms of some theistic evolutionists repeated statements of rejection of creationism though, there is usually the derogation in the form of "if the YEC position is true, then there must be a massive conspiracy. Such a conspiracy is unthinkably incredulous to me, therefore the YEC position is false" or something along those lines. Throwing out a pejorative term to discredit an opponent is quite annoying at times.
BTW, I'm not familiar with the whole zeitgeist thing, so I don't have much to say about it in particular.
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iamnotaparakeet: Again, it is not the scientific community's fault that creationism is BS.
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No thanks.
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iamnotaparakeet: Again, it is not the scientific community's fault that creationism is BS.
Then stop replying to my posts. Simple as that.
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That statement is rhetorically very similar to the question, "Have you stopped beating your wife?"
*doubles up on the floor with laughter* VERY good point!
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