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07 Feb 2010, 8:33 pm

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America for Americans, yes I agree, give it all back to the indigenous people and boot europeans out :lol:


But then, where would the gambling casinos get their dumb customers?



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07 Feb 2010, 8:57 pm

Just had it seriously damaged by reading far too many complaining and nasty posts from CONservatives elsewhere.



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08 Feb 2010, 8:48 pm

The OP was hilarious. :lol: Too bad it isn't much of an exaggeration. The scary thing is there really are people who feel that way. 8O



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08 Feb 2010, 9:32 pm

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In the past, the Constitution has served America well, but over the past few decades, liberal elements have corrupted its meaning and infected the Republic with subversive ideas. Here is a modest proposal to restore glorious Freedom to true Americans:
  • Hold a new constitutional convention to establish this political system:
  • Freedom of speech
    • Freedom of speech is a good—when used appropriately to discuss the relative merits of a purchase or to talk about The Big Game, for example.
    • Sometimes freedom of speech is taken too far to mean radical and subversive ideas treasonous to the American Republic. Such speech should be forbidden.
  • Freedom of religion and conscience
    • Especially in recent times, we've seen our Christian nation fall prey to dangerous secularists, atheist militants, and heathenous barbarians from overseas.
    • Therefore freedom of religion means an individual has choice to belong to one of an improved Christian churches: the Southern Baptist Convention, Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians (those that don't ordain women or the gays), the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the Catholic Church if they can be assured not to take marching orders from Rome.
    • The Jew may be allowed to practice their faith so long as they offer their vast fortunes in service of the nation's glory.
    • Islam and other terroristic cults are to be abolished.
    • Heathens shall be converted to the Cross at the sword.
    • Patriotic Americanism shall be the only permitted political ideology.
  • The Board of Directors
    • The Board of Directors replaces Congress and the Supreme Court.
    • Directors are elected to the Board democratically by the Fortune 1000 corporations and the most significant Christian denominations in proportion to their wealth and membership.
    • The Board of Directors shall be directly responsible to its shareholders and has a fiduciary duty to turn a profit for them.
  • The Presidency
    • The President is appointed to serve for life.
    • The President has power to declare martial law.
    • The President, as Command-in-Chief, has full command of the armed services and has sole discretion in declaring war, both foreign and domestic.
  • The Party
    • The Republican Party is established as the sole legitimate expression of political organization.
    • The penalty for fidelity to liberal, socialist, or other communistic ideas is death.
    • Former members of the Democrat Party, Greens, and others of a non-conservative bent are to be purged.
  • Focus on the family
    • The family is the cornerstone of any functional nation.
    • So marriage is defined as between one man and one woman.
    • Homosexuals, fornicators, and adulterers are to be stoned to death.
    • Deviant sexuality of all other sorts is to be punished by death.
    • Divorce is forbidden.
    • The woman has a duty as mother, wife, and homemaker. She keeps our nation's men healthy and strong.
  • Glorious empire
    • Being God's Promised Land, America has a duty to expand to her natural boundaries: the whole of the Western Hemisphere.
    • America shall withdraw from the United Nations and other limp-wristed liberal institutions that seek international consensus and peace above national sovereignty and the glories of empire!
    • The Latin American countries shall learn WASP culture and the English language.
    • America shall colonize the Middle East, starting by making its occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan permanent. Next is Iran.
    • China must be stopped. Smuggling opium into their cities may stunt the productivity of their workforce. The opium can be supplied from Afghanistan.
  • Protect American culture!
    • Only English may be spoken or written, both in public and in private. Books and other resources in languages other than English shall be burned.
    • Immigration shall be restricted to the bare minimum needed to perform menial labor, and these guestworkers will never be provided with citizenship or permanent residency. They will, however, be obligated to speak English and learn American ways.
    • Deviant subcultures, entertainments, and liberal media shall be suppressed.
  • Brother for brother
    • Americans shall be paid a stipend to inform on unpatriotic family members, friends, coworkers, and employees.
    • All are brother and sister in this great American nation; therefore other loyalties must not be put first.

Are you trolling? Please be honest.

Edit: Yeah now that I read the "president serves for life" I am sure. :}

It would have been funnier if it was slightly less extreme.


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08 Feb 2010, 11:33 pm

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Being God's Promised Land, America has a duty to expand to her natural boundaries: the whole of the Western Hemisphere.

Immigration shall be restricted to the bare minimum needed to perform menial labor, and these guestworkers will never be provided with citizenship or permanent residency. They will, however, be obligated to speak English and learn American ways.


Peoples won't need to immigrate as USA will come to them. Then again USA will then get more a "emigration" that a "immigration" problem.


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09 Feb 2010, 12:03 am

Tollorin wrote:
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Being God's Promised Land, America has a duty to expand to her natural boundaries: the whole of the Western Hemisphere.

Immigration shall be restricted to the bare minimum needed to perform menial labor, and these guestworkers will never be provided with citizenship or permanent residency. They will, however, be obligated to speak English and learn American ways.


Peoples won't need to immigrate as USA will come to them. Then again USA will then get more a "emigration" that a "immigration" problem.


Yep and Canada's next...

Here I come Canuckistan...:twisted:


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09 Feb 2010, 1:48 am

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09 Feb 2010, 10:28 am

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America for Americans, yes I agree, give it all back to the indigenous people and boot europeans out :lol:


Agreed! I get to stay if that's the case and I'll have sooo much room all to myself.

Course, I'm getting out of this country as soon as I can. BC Canada is where I'm headed I think... or possibly Sweden. Or maybe Japan. No wait, I could go to Switzerland. Eh, probably just stick with Canada. Plenty of snow, no enemies, not enough frenchies to lose wars if they somehow ever make enemies (unlikely, who'd pick a fight with Canada?) and everyone I've met from there have simply been nicer and more open people.


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09 Feb 2010, 11:52 am

I can just see it now:

Canada sets up borders against illegal U.S. immigrants.


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09 Feb 2010, 3:39 pm

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If the Americans of 100 years ago could see America today, most of them would be amazed.

Yes they would. I imagine they might say something along the lines of "Holy sh**, airplanes!" Or perhaps they would be more impressed by the Internet, the prevalence of home computers, the fact that the typical middle-class family has a car or two, the eradication of most common diseases, or any number of other advances.


They would be pleasantly amazed by technological developments. What I am saying is that they would be unpleasantly amazed by political developments. I presume you can understand this distinction, and that this was obvious to you from the other sentences in my paragraph that you decided not to quote. And if so, your response above was unnecessary.

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Many white conservatives of the 50s and 60s could see the way things were going, but even then a great many white people had begun to believe that sticking up for their own kind was ?hate?.

If you call lynching a black guy who whistles at a white girl "sticking up for your own kind," then yeah, I'm gonna call it hate.


This is a ridiculous straw-man.
Besides, if all white women in America had to worry about from blacks was getting whistled at instead of the fact that, going on the stats, something like 30,000+ white women in America are sexually assaulted by blacks every year, that would be a vast improvement.

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So many of these conservatives started talking in code about stuff like socialism (eg, transfer of wealth from whites to blacks) and patriotism and all the rest of it.

Ah! An admission that such right-wing rhetoric is indeed code for racism.


Just to make my position clearer:
I maintain that socialism, taxes and infringements on liberty are legitimate concerns in themselves (for whites or anyone else).
I maintain that explicit advocacy of racial interests is also legitimate (for whites or anyone else).
And I maintain that since non-whites often use Marxist code-words (such as "racism") to advance their own racial interests and hinder the racial interests of whites, it is legitimate for whites to use ideas such as opposing socialism as proxies for their own racial interests.

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Orwell, have you been drinking? That was lame even by your standards. That was the sort of thing I'd expect from that "vibratetogether" chap.

I don't drink. Mainly I just didn't feel like going into details because, well, facts are irrelevant to you anyways.


That's rich coming from someone who jumps through intellectual hoops to deny racial differences, who makes out that a person's genetic interests end with their own children, and who maintains that mass immigration just happens and there's nothing any country can do to stop it.

I honestly think I'd have more luck trying to talk sense to a Marxist than to someone like you. I think it would take a mountain of evidence and years of life experience to get you to question your received opinions, and if you ever managed it, I don't think you'd find it a very pleasant experience anyway. For these two reasons, I restrain myself from saying too much in response to you, but sometimes the self-satisfied manner in which you express yourself makes it difficult not to respond at all, although that would probably be the best option.

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No, if anything, "racist" is pretty much a code for white.

Keep telling yourself that, codarac. Never mind that most white people (myself included) are not called racists.


So what? Most white people don't get called honkies or crackers either.



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09 Feb 2010, 3:51 pm

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The OP was hilarious. :lol: Too bad it isn't much of an exaggeration. The scary thing is there really are people who feel that way. 8O


I think Neant writes some very good satire, but I think he's a bit wide of the mark here.



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09 Feb 2010, 11:46 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
In the past, the Constitution has served America well, but over the past few decades, liberal elements have corrupted its meaning and infected the Republic with subversive ideas. Here is a modest proposal to restore glorious Freedom to true Americans:
  • Hold a new constitutional convention to establish this political system:
  • Freedom of speech
    • Freedom of speech is a good—when used appropriately to discuss the relative merits of a purchase or to talk about The Big Game, for example.
    • Sometimes freedom of speech is taken too far to mean radical and subversive ideas treasonous to the American Republic. Such speech should be forbidden.
  • Freedom of religion and conscience
    • Especially in recent times, we've seen our Christian nation fall prey to dangerous secularists, atheist militants, and heathenous barbarians from overseas.
    • Therefore freedom of religion means an individual has choice to belong to one of an improved Christian churches: the Southern Baptist Convention, Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians (those that don't ordain women or the gays), the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the Catholic Church if they can be assured not to take marching orders from Rome.
    • The Jew may be allowed to practice their faith so long as they offer their vast fortunes in service of the nation's glory.
    • Islam and other terroristic cults are to be abolished.
    • Heathens shall be converted to the Cross at the sword.
    • Patriotic Americanism shall be the only permitted political ideology.
  • The Board of Directors
    • The Board of Directors replaces Congress and the Supreme Court.
    • Directors are elected to the Board democratically by the Fortune 1000 corporations and the most significant Christian denominations in proportion to their wealth and membership.
    • The Board of Directors shall be directly responsible to its shareholders and has a fiduciary duty to turn a profit for them.
  • The Presidency
    • The President is appointed to serve for life.
    • The President has power to declare martial law.
    • The President, as Command-in-Chief, has full command of the armed services and has sole discretion in declaring war, both foreign and domestic.
  • The Party
    • The Republican Party is established as the sole legitimate expression of political organization.
    • The penalty for fidelity to liberal, socialist, or other communistic ideas is death.
    • Former members of the Democrat Party, Greens, and others of a non-conservative bent are to be purged.
  • Focus on the family
    • The family is the cornerstone of any functional nation.
    • So marriage is defined as between one man and one woman.
    • Homosexuals, fornicators, and adulterers are to be stoned to death.
    • Deviant sexuality of all other sorts is to be punished by death.
    • Divorce is forbidden.
    • The woman has a duty as mother, wife, and homemaker. She keeps our nation's men healthy and strong.
  • Glorious empire
    • Being God's Promised Land, America has a duty to expand to her natural boundaries: the whole of the Western Hemisphere.
    • America shall withdraw from the United Nations and other limp-wristed liberal institutions that seek international consensus and peace above national sovereignty and the glories of empire!
    • The Latin American countries shall learn WASP culture and the English language.
    • America shall colonize the Middle East, starting by making its occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan permanent. Next is Iran.
    • China must be stopped. Smuggling opium into their cities may stunt the productivity of their workforce. The opium can be supplied from Afghanistan.
  • Protect American culture!
    • Only English may be spoken or written, both in public and in private. Books and other resources in languages other than English shall be burned.
    • Immigration shall be restricted to the bare minimum needed to perform menial labor, and these guestworkers will never be provided with citizenship or permanent residency. They will, however, be obligated to speak English and learn American ways.
    • Deviant subcultures, entertainments, and liberal media shall be suppressed.
  • Brother for brother
    • Americans shall be paid a stipend to inform on unpatriotic family members, friends, coworkers, and employees.
    • All are brother and sister in this great American nation; therefore other loyalties must not be put first.


Just ignore the gays, turn a blind eye to the stonings and book burnings, and we may have a deal.
We'll begin rolling out the plan, everything should be in order by 2005.



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10 Feb 2010, 3:32 am

Oh yes, this is the tea party vision. Nailed it. :roll:



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10 Feb 2010, 6:53 pm

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Especially in recent times, we've seen our Christian nation fall prey to dangerous secularists, atheist militants, and heathenous barbarians from overseas.
[*] Therefore freedom of religion means an individual has choice to belong to one of an improved Christian churches: the Southern Baptist Convention, Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians (those that don't ordain women or the gays), the Eastern Orthodox Church, and the Catholic Church if they can be assured not to take marching orders from Rome.
[*] The Jew may be allowed to practice their faith so long as they offer their vast fortunes in service of the nation's glory.
[*] Islam and other terroristic cults are to be abolished.
[*] Heathens shall be converted to the Cross at the sword.

That doesn't sound like freedom of religion to me, people should be allowed to practice WHATEVER religion they please.

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[*] Patriotic Americanism shall be the only permitted political ideology.

No, just no, that would violate freedom of expression.

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  • Focus on the family
    • The family is the cornerstone of any functional nation.
    • So marriage is defined as between one man and one woman.
    • Homosexuals, fornicators, and adulterers are to be stoned to death.
    • Deviant sexuality of all other sorts is to be punished by death.
    • Divorce is forbidden.

Bad ideas. It is not the government's business whether someone is gay, has sex outside of marriage, divorces their spouse, or wears revealing clothes (or other things of that nature).

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  • The woman has a duty as mother, wife, and homemaker. She keeps our nation's men healthy and strong.
  • You seem like you are against Women's Rights. Women should be allowed to vote, own property, participate in government, and testify in court. If they weren't, it would be against the 14th amendement.


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  • Protect American culture!
    • Only English may be spoken or written, both in public and in private. Books and other resources in languages other than English shall be burned.
    • Immigration shall be restricted to the bare minimum needed to perform menial labor, and these guestworkers will never be provided with citizenship or permanent residency. They will, however, be obligated to speak English and learn American ways.
    • Deviant subcultures, entertainments, and liberal media shall be suppressed.

  • Also bad ideas, people should be allowed to speak their native languages both in public and in private, as well as practice their culture.

    Books in other languages should also remain legal. Deviant subcultures, entertainments, and liberal media should not be suppressed, either, as that would violate free speech.


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    14 Feb 2010, 2:16 pm

    Marysocontrary wrote:
    Why is it that so many conservatives think they have all the answers and can solve all of the problems if they were able to get rid of liberals? Got news for you pal, ain't never going to happen.

    Talk about destroying the constitution, that's exactly what you are suggesting. Madison, Jefferson, Addams (Sam, John, John Jr), Franklin, et al would be outraged at your suggestions to undermine their hard work.

    Get it through your CONservative heads, the founding fathers set this country up to be a SECULAR nation whether you like it or not!

    CONservatives have done plenty of damage to this country over the years so stop blaming the liberals for it.

    You're illustrating that you aren't FOR liberty as you're wanting to take it away from others. Talk about un-American.


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    16 Feb 2010, 3:26 pm

    Tollorin wrote:
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    Being God's Promised Land, America has a duty to expand to her natural boundaries: the whole of the Western Hemisphere.

    Immigration shall be restricted to the bare minimum needed to perform menial labor, and these guestworkers will never be provided with citizenship or permanent residency. They will, however, be obligated to speak English and learn American ways.


    Peoples won't need to immigrate as USA will come to them. Then again USA will then get more a "emigration" that a "immigration" problem.


    Hey- get with the program!

    Us true Tea Baggers want to CONTRACT america's bourders by reversing the outcome of that nasty "War of Northern Agression" in the 1860's.

    By the way- once the South is free again we can revive the South's "peculiar institution"- so dont worry so much about "menial labor'!
    On the other hand these dern ferigners keep finding our oil underneath their soil so we do have to invade places like Iran so we can keep these fernigners from stealing it like they do (just because American oil spouts up in their backyards doesnt make it any less American!).