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14 Mar 2010, 8:11 pm

Basically the point of the article I suggested is that the entities set up to eliminate the importation and use of illegal narcotics have become so infiltrated with involvements in criminal activities that, if anything, they encourage the use of these malevolent materials at the reward of huge profits. It's an extremely dirty business and a total disgrace to decent government, They have little if any concern for the victims of their activities.

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14 Mar 2010, 8:44 pm

Khan_Sama wrote:

Drug abuse is not a criminal offence. It is a public health problem.

I agree with this. We are treating the situation in an entirely wrong matter. Locking them away does nothing. But well, putting people in jail makes money in a society where prisons are being handed over to privately run organizations.

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14 Mar 2010, 9:14 pm

Quartz11 wrote:

Khan_Sama wrote:

Drug abuse is not a criminal offence. It is a public health problem.

A business is by definition a profit making organization. Profit is money removed solely for the owner's personal use and does not contribute directly to society or to the motives of the business. When public money is diverted to private business it is money taken away from public funds that can be used for public purposes and the only justification for that permission for private profit is that a business might be economically organized better than a public organization. Unfortunately, that is rarely true.

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15 Mar 2010, 12:03 am

Khan_Sama wrote:

Drug abuse is not a criminal offence. It is a public health problem.

I'm a former drug user.

It's not just a health problem but an addictive problem. Not everyone like myself is apt to being hooked onto drugs or alcohol.

But yeah I agree, it's ashame in our society we put a band aid over something that's much deeper than a "criminal offense".

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15 Mar 2010, 12:54 am

I think drug law should be abolished. However, there should be an age restriction (eighteen) so that minors can't get their hands on them, or at least it will be difficult.

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15 Mar 2010, 1:52 am

LiberalJustice wrote:

I think drug law should be abolished. However, there should be an age restriction (eighteen) so that minors can't get their hands on them, or at least it will be difficult.

Not effective. I started drinking when I was 16, and stopped when I was 19. The legal age for drinking in India is 21.

Alcohol itself is a drug, a very dangerous one at that.

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24 Jun 2012, 2:30 am

Khan_Sama wrote:

LiberalJustice wrote:

I think drug law should be abolished. However, there should be an age restriction (eighteen) so that minors can't get their hands on them, or at least it will be difficult.

Not effective. I started drinking when I was 16, and stopped when I was 19. The legal age for drinking in India is 21.

Alcohol itself is a drug, a very dangerous one at that.

Put those who supply minors in jail, then. That's how it works for alcohol and cigarettes. So, why not drugs?

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24 Jun 2012, 5:48 am

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2 year bender?

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24 Jun 2012, 6:48 am

The film Traffic addresses a lot of the drug issues very well.

But I think the "war on drugs" is a handy phrase politicians use to give the impression that something is being done. If what is said in the film "Traffic" is true then the drug industry is so profitable that no country can compete with it. So it will never end.

In the UK it makes me laugh when I hear the term "controlled substance", because in actuality the opposite is true. The government does not control the substance heroin, or cocaine etc. Because as soon as it becomes a "controlled substance" then its distribution is underground and there is no control over its production and supply.

I say legalize the lot of them. Only then will they be controlled substances and the war on drugs can end.

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24 Jun 2012, 11:42 am

Sand wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

swansong wrote:

Despite idealistic Randite libertarian rhetoric, a society where heroin and cocaine are legal would be a dystopia.

Do you believe that people over the age of consent have the natural right to commit suicide? I do. As long as they don't take anyone else to the Land of Death with them against their wills. If someone wants to sit quietly at home and O.D., why should he be stopped? I believe that addicts should be supplied with all the dope they want (that is so they won't rob people to get the stuff). The sooner they O.D. and die, the sooner they are out of our hair.

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And all sick people would be better off merely succumbing to their ailments. The savings on medical expense and trouble for others would be immense.
Of course, when you or any of your beloved family members come down with cancer, you possibly could have second thoughts.

Don't forget the poor if they'd only just suck it up and lay down and die and quit stealing from everyone else via applying for welfare, then things would be rainbows and cupcakes.

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24 Jun 2012, 11:46 am

ruveyn wrote:

Sand wrote:

Being physically ill is generally something that happens to people and is not chosen (although there are exceptions, like the consequences of smoking or overeating). Illnesses can be treated (most of them can) but self destructive choices are not a treatable condition. So comparing being ill to being an addict (which is something chosen) is not an apt analogy or comparison. Most ill people do not want to be ill and will co-operate in their treatment a cure. Most addicts want to be addicts. There really is no sure and effective cure for their addiction, so give them the dope they crave and they will either stabilize into some functional state or they will die. If the former they can function well enough to work for their living; if the latter they die and are out of our hair.

No one has a solution for dealing with self-destructive urges or choices. We do have a solution for some infectious diseases - to wit, antibiotics.

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Addiction is not categorized as 'self destructive choice' its categorized as a mental disorder/illness......and addiction is treatable.

Also I would like to see some evidence that most addicts 'want' to be addicts because I am quite sure that is false....maybe you should actually read up on what addiction is and what it does before you make a bunch of ignorant claims and attempt to pass them off as facts.

And speak for yourself....just because you don't see any ways to treat addiction doesn't mean there aren't.

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24 Jun 2012, 11:48 am

ruveyn wrote:

Sand wrote:

We all have made many errors of choice in our lives and it is just basic decency to try to rescue people from their foolish errors.

At whose expense, St. Sand?

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Remember guys every time someone makes a bad choice it is at Ruveyn's personal expense, especially if that person gets help for that bad choice.

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24 Jun 2012, 11:48 am

The War on drugs is a waste of money.

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24 Jun 2012, 11:51 am

Khan_Sama wrote:

Drug abuse is not a criminal offence. It is a public health problem.

I'm a former drug user.

Well currently the government does not seem to agree, they still view it as a criminal offense...but it should be seen as a public health issue not a criminal issue.

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24 Jun 2012, 11:54 am

Jacoby wrote:

I'm for decriminalization of marijuana but I dunno about cocaine or heroin or whatever other dangerous illegal drugs there is since I don't want to be stuck footing the bill for these dope heads. If it were legal they should receive no public assistance.

Well then they should bar people who smoke cigarettes or drink from public assistance to......that's ridiculous legalizing drugs and then refusing public assistance to anyone who happens to use a drug. Public assistance is for the public if the public is allowed to use drugs.....then they cannot be barred from the assistance due to that.

So I'd disagree with it being set up that way.

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24 Jun 2012, 11:56 am

LiberalJustice wrote:

Khan_Sama wrote:

LiberalJustice wrote:

I think drug law should be abolished. However, there should be an age restriction (eighteen) so that minors can't get their hands on them, or at least it will be difficult.

Not effective. I started drinking when I was 16, and stopped when I was 19. The legal age for drinking in India is 21.

Alcohol itself is a drug, a very dangerous one at that.

Put those who supply minors in jail, then. That's how it works for alcohol and cigarettes. So, why not drugs?

alcohol and cigarettes aren't drugs?

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