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I prefer to enjoy conversing with women about mythology, then letting my judgement determine what happens afterwards, as opposed to conversing with them about judgement and letting mythology determine what happens afterwards.

translation. you make a woman scream OH GOD!! !! !! instead of screaming OH GOD!! !! at a woman

OK, I'm confused. How do you infer that from the scripture that was quoted?

Many Christians take the Bible as inspired by God. If women can't be beautiful in God's mind, why would He have inspired the Song of Solomon? Looks like to me you're superimposing your own bias onto scripture.

It's the subtle difference between 2010 and 1380.

the bible has nothing to do with god. it was written by man me and you dont know what was going thru there head at the time. how do we know the bible isnt the first version of a million little pieces its all bull but it makes you feel better reading it.

these apostals wrote nothing but their own bias on what the world should be. dont cheat on your wife dont kill people and hate the gays.

Oh come now bully, I'm sure some of it was god's word, I mean sure it was carried orally for years, given historical bias, changed by groups for their own purposes, then compiled into a main set of books, edited, some books removed, then translated several times and is currently being interpreted by people on the internet.

...but there's some good in there still, right?

I think this is more likely 'Even if you plan on getting in his/her pants, buy them a few drinks, try your luck, but they ultimately turn you down - you still had every intent'.

I think this is more than just walking past your neighbor's wife while she's bent over watering flowers with a short skirt on and then going into your own house and relieving some personal tension. Its making a plan and actually meaning to set it in motion.

Hate the gays? Where does that come from? The OT? The OT Law was written specifically for the Israelites. Killing homosexuals had to do with eliminating all, and I mean ALL forms of idolatry in the nation of Israel. The crimes involved in idolatry were akin to "cheating" on God. In those days, "cheating on God" for them would be like treason for us--a crime against the state. To commit treason is to put an entire nation at risk, and the ONLY acceptable punishment for that is death. And if you actually bother to READ the Bible, you'll note that the Israelites had a hard time keeping all those laws.

The NT only urges believers to avoid idolatrous practices as outlined in the OT, and homosexuality is simply among those sins that are specifically named. Note that I used the word "avoid." Jesus preached forgiveness. He kept company with sinners and the occasional Pharisee while urging them to repent. If it was all about hate and punishment, Jesus would have preached a message about searching out homosexuals, adulterers, witches (whether you interpret that as poisoner or diviner, hardly the point), heretics, crooked tax collectors, sheep shaggers, and any other kind of sinner you can think of, round them up, and put them all to death. The ONLY thing that is ever said about the mass destruction of sinners has to do with eschatology, and even then it only refers to unrepentant sinners who have had more than a fair chance at making things right by accepting Jesus' sacrifice through faith.

If the writers of the NT were so biased, how is it that it reads as though its precepts are to apply to all people? If the writers of the OT were so biased, how is it certain groups are treated so unfavorably? I'm talking specifically about the Levites: It is generally accepted that Moses wrote down all of the Law. If he was the guy that was in charge, why would he disinherit his own people? The Reubenites were completely cut off, the half-tribes of Joseph (Manasseh and Ephraim) took what would have gone to Reuben, and the Levites simply inherited "the Lord." If I were the guy in charge, I'd have put my own people in charge of half of it, not simply living in apportioned cities among the rest of the nation. Why set you and yours up to only live at the kindness of others? And why is it the writers of Judges, 1 and 2 Samuel, and 1 and 2 Kings so negative about the nation of Israel (and later Judah) and their kings? A biased attitude, I think, ought to be more about propaganda than exposing all the evils of a certain people.

The problem as I see it (as far as bias goes) is that you have a bunch of highly influential whack-jobs that will start spewing religious dogma to justify whatever garbage they want and just ignore all that stuff about love, peace, and forgiveness. The trend these days is to do just the opposite: Making up new religious dogma to justify the kind of love, peace, and "tolerance" (which really isn't so tolerant) consistent with a sinful lifestyle the Bible clearly teaches against. Either way, there doesn't seem to really be that much legit teaching actually FROM the Bible, and that has resulted in gross misunderstandings about what it actually says and means.

I actually think that either one of those would insure your chastity, deliberately or otherwise.

first of all jesus is an idol that draws worship from god

second if homosexuality is wrong why does it exist in the first place. god made the hevan and earth, homosexuals are on the earth.

third the nt is bias, as a set of rules of which to live by. none of these rules come straight from god. they are only inspired. no one really knows what god wants, because god doesnt talk to us

fourth the ot is more a real than the nt. its all just the fabrication of the insane. just more violent, everyone hates Israel that isnt some new trend that just popped up. that place has been the center on hell since the beginning of time. why i have no idea

last if the bible is so misunderstood why are you arguing with me. if you misunderstand the bible how can you correct others in their intrepretations?

Jesus is the Son of God, not an idol.

I'm not debating homosexuality because that has already been done in a different thread. You could say the same thing for pedophilia, incest, rape, murder...

The "rules" came from Jesus who, as the Son of God is said to be God Himself. As God's Son, He DID talk to us.

Don't really know what to tell you about your 4th point--doesn't seem relevant.

Who says I misunderstand the Bible? It's not my fault that it has been misunderstood throughout the centuries and millennia. I think, actually, that mankind as a whole has lived long enough since the canonization of the Bible to figure out what mistakes have been made and how scripture has gotten twisted. I go by a literal interpretation of the Bible as much as possible unless the Bible itself refers to symbolism--often the Bible includes the interpretation of symbols (most notably the book of Revelation, though it's not alone in this). Also, we more often make an effort to understand the Bible within the context it was written--taking into account common figures of speech of the times. I love Jesus' mountain-moving faith analogy which is an obvious hyperbole. The point I take from that story is believing no matter what else you see or whatever anyone else might say. Those kinds of exaggerations are everywhere, and one has to see them for what they are to understand the meaning. Instead, people have always used those things to mean whatever they want to justify anything they want: Crusades, Inquisitions, destructive cults, mass suicides, and so on. Anyone who actually READS the Bible and tries to understand it can easily discern which things are consistent with Biblical teaching and which things are not.

do you know what Schizophrenia is?

its part of the human condition. people have had this since the beginning of time. who is to say the person known as jesus wasnt a schizo and just hullicinated everything

Almost everything he did that was written in the scriptures meant something that had direct reference to books in the OT (as well as that as much of the rest of the bible - many stories, parables, etc. have dual meaning), from prophetic fulfillments to even days that passed between events (events that had six day spaces, events that had 4 day spaces split in two, events that involved 40 days - often looked as a count of Jubilee years). His actions being that methodical I think you'd have better luck insinuating that he was a genius megalomaniac with profound knowledge of the OT and LOTS of conspired human help along the way than insinuating that he was a schizophrenic.

one of many possibilities in the biggest conspiracy to consume the world

Asmodeus, how many times has the Bible been translated? How many sequential translations has each book in the Bible had?

Possibly cooked up by the Illuminati for thousands of years.

It seems like the counter-explanations to that extent end up looking about as gnarly as the possibility (from a 2010 perspective) that it might actually be true.