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19 May 2010, 3:47 pm

I look forward to receiving some letterbombs!

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19 May 2010, 3:58 pm

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I look forward to receiving some letterbombs!

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Spoke too soon topic

Ah, neurodiversity! :wink:


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19 May 2010, 4:07 pm

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Spoke too soon topic

Ah, neurodiversity! :wink:


No one can prevent the inevitable. Anyone who dares to suggest that there is something I am not allowed to draw will be presented with a drawing of precisely that. Only serious suggestions though, if people start spamming random suggestions in this thread in the hope that I will stay up all night drawing things, they will disappointed! :lol:



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19 May 2010, 4:10 pm

I wonder how all this will play out?



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19 May 2010, 4:32 pm

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By zepsloan.

Kind of looks badass if you ask me. :)


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19 May 2010, 4:45 pm

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On the other hand, my pragmatic side says why would one deliberately engage in provocative expression without some larger goal in mind? Taking a privileged, provocative act just because one can strikes me as an invitation to an unnecessary response.

Is speech any freer or free speech any safer from constraint because of this?

It is symbolic of a broader effort to assert our right to free expression against the efforts of Islam to oppress such. When we regularly and freely speak out against other religions (especially Christianity) why should Islam be immune to criticism? The Muslim community needs to know that they are not a special protected class. They must play by the same rules the rest of us follow, and they cannot silence everyone and everything that offends them.


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19 May 2010, 5:34 pm

I wonder what repercussions this will have. I see Pakistan has already decided to ban Facebook over this issue.



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19 May 2010, 5:57 pm

Orwell wrote:
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On the other hand, my pragmatic side says why would one deliberately engage in provocative expression without some larger goal in mind? Taking a privileged, provocative act just because one can strikes me as an invitation to an unnecessary response.

Is speech any freer or free speech any safer from constraint because of this?

It is symbolic of a broader effort to assert our right to free expression against the efforts of Islam to oppress such. When we regularly and freely speak out against other religions (especially Christianity) why should Islam be immune to criticism? The Muslim community needs to know that they are not a special protected class. They must play by the same rules the rest of us follow, and they cannot silence everyone and everything that offends them.


Agreed. TV shows, especially south park, depict other religious figures in a derogatory way all the time, but you don't see the Christians or the Buddhists threatening to blow us up. It seems like the only reason people are even considering censorship in this case is because they are afraid of the consequences. If we truly believe in freedom of speech, we can't just give it up in this case because some jerks threaten us with violence. And if it is not okay to depict Mohammad in an offensive way, why is it okay to depict Jesus as into pornography, or whatever (I believe that's how they depicted Jesus in the south park episode we're talking about)? If we demand being culturally sensitive to other religions, it has to apply to all of them, not just the one that threatens us with violence.



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19 May 2010, 6:29 pm

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Agreed. TV shows, especially south park, depict other religious figures in a derogatory way all the time, but you don't see the Christians or the Buddhists threatening to blow us up. It seems like the only reason people are even considering censorship in this case is because they are afraid of the consequences. If we truly believe in freedom of speech, we can't just give it up in this case because some jerks threaten us with violence. And if it is not okay to depict Mohammad in an offensive way, why is it okay to depict Jesus as into pornography, or whatever (I believe that's how they depicted Jesus in the south park episode we're talking about)? If we demand being culturally sensitive to other religions, it has to apply to all of them, not just the one that threatens us with violence.


Because in the bible it says something like, "if a man smacks you in the face, turn the other cheek." The passage in the Qur'an says something like, "Oh no you didn't! It's war now! OVER 9000 years!" Buddhists don't say anything because they're mostly pacifists.


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19 May 2010, 7:32 pm

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Agreed. TV shows, especially south park, depict other religious figures in a derogatory way all the time, but you don't see the Christians or the Buddhists threatening to blow us up. It seems like the only reason people are even considering censorship in this case is because they are afraid of the consequences. If we truly believe in freedom of speech, we can't just give it up in this case because some jerks threaten us with violence. And if it is not okay to depict Mohammad in an offensive way, why is it okay to depict Jesus as into pornography, or whatever (I believe that's how they depicted Jesus in the south park episode we're talking about)? If we demand being culturally sensitive to other religions, it has to apply to all of them, not just the one that threatens us with violence.


Because in the bible it says something like, "if a man smacks you in the face, turn the other cheek." The passage in the Qur'an says something like, "Oh no you didn't! It's war now! OVER 9000 years!" Buddhists don't say anything because they're mostly pacifists.


I don't know enough about the Koran to say for sure how true that is. But it should be pointed out that Christians in the nineteenth century would be raising the same fuss that Muslims are now over inconsequential stuff like this. The difference is that Christians no longer take the "bad" verses in their bible seriously, while Muslims still take their religion very literally and seriously. That's probably more because of culture than one religion being more peaceful in their teachings than the other. But again, I don't know enough about the Koran to be sure.



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19 May 2010, 11:21 pm

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No. No. No. That does not look like a Semite at all. It looks like a Gentile in a turban.

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20 May 2010, 10:11 am

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No. No. No. That does not look like a Semite at all. It looks like a Gentile in a turban.

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Of course. Everyone knows that Semitic prophets look like effeminate Northern European men.

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20 May 2010, 10:34 am

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The way I see this, is that this is a rule that MUSLIMS agree to. MUSLIMS agree as part of their faith THEY will not depict Mohammad. They shouldn't be in any way forcing this rule on outsiders to their faith. The extremists who keep threatening violence over this most stupid of issues are just doing so to promote their dominance over other cultures and should be resisted at every opportunity.

I can draw the prophet if I damn well please because I'm not MUSLIM.
This is not meant to be antagonistic, but I will not be bullied into following the rules of some faith I'm not a part of.


Exactly. Especially since the Koran dosen't even forbid depicting Muhammad anyway :roll:

To people saying "you haven't seen Muhammad so you shouldn't draw him" - well, you ain't seen Jesus before either, but Christians still draw him, paint him, put him in statues, etc.



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20 May 2010, 11:53 am

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Zara wrote:
The way I see this, is that this is a rule that MUSLIMS agree to. MUSLIMS agree as part of their faith THEY will not depict Mohammad. They shouldn't be in any way forcing this rule on outsiders to their faith. The extremists who keep threatening violence over this most stupid of issues are just doing so to promote their dominance over other cultures and should be resisted at every opportunity.

I can draw the prophet if I damn well please because I'm not MUSLIM.
This is not meant to be antagonistic, but I will not be bullied into following the rules of some faith I'm not a part of.


Exactly. Especially since the Koran dosen't even forbid depicting Muhammad anyway :roll:

To people saying "you haven't seen Muhammad so you shouldn't draw him" - well, you ain't seen Jesus before either, but Christians still draw him, paint him, put him in statues, etc.


Some even poop in a jar and call it Jesus. Of course they call it "art" but that's another issue entirely.


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