Page 2 of 6 [ 86 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next

ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 89
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

28 May 2010, 9:26 am

LiendaBalla wrote:
I have seen actual unidentified flying/floating objects. One of them was kind of strange. I'm not against the idea very heavily.


You admit being ignorant of what this flying object you saw really is. Tell me, do you subscribe to the principle that anything of which you are ignorant must have alien or extra terrestrial origin?

ruveyn



Awesomelyglorious
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 17 Dec 2005
Gender: Male
Posts: 13,157
Location: Omnipresent

28 May 2010, 9:33 am

ruveyn wrote:
Tell me, do you subscribe to the principle that anything of which you are ignorant must have alien or extra terrestrial origin?

ruveyn

You mean you don't?



iamnotaparakeet
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 31 Jul 2007
Age: 40
Gender: Male
Posts: 25,091
Location: 0.5 Galactic radius

28 May 2010, 11:41 am

Fuzzy wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I think it is possible for life to exist on planets other than Earth. I am a Christian though, and my views about aliens are basically derived from C.S. Lewis' Space Trilogy starting with Out Of The Silent Planet. If they do exist, and God is the designer of both them and us, then there should be common design features. Often taken for granted in science fiction, DNA is not chemically deterministic and neither are the patterns of the genetic code, so if abiogenesis were to be the source of life, such alien life would almost certainly not have the same kind of heredity molecule. Then ensues the ad hoc addition of panspermia if such life were to have the exact same molecule of heredity, deoxyribonucleic acid, whereby evos would rather evoke passage through space of the DNA molecules from one mega distant location to another just so as to reject the mere possibility of a common designer.


I have always hated how some scientists get all excited that "maybe life started on mars and came here on asteroids". Well, sure, maybe. But they get a little excited about it, positing theories when its just as likely, if not more, that it all started here. They are just looking for a creation myth, ignoring probability.

Note that I don't have a problem with the idea of amino acids arriving from space(I'm sure it happens). I dont even have a problem with life starting elsewhere. Its just that they get so damned excited about it, and discount that the basics of life are here.

That being said, you have a point that there could be all sorts of life forms out there that we fail to recognize for the very reason that they are of a different basis from us.


Well, if life evolved and started from abiogenesis, then it should be very different from each other where there is non-interaction. The likelihood of abiogenesis occurring is very minute, but if extraterrestrial life were to develop by such means then the chemistry would be unique to each location of development, since the geometry of molecules which compose our bodies and all of life on Earth are just one possibility of composition. However, if extraterrestrial life were to have the same basic composition it would speak more in favor of a common designer rather than a common ancestor. The basic homogeneity of chemical composition on Earth is acceptable in terms of explanation by common ancestor, at least more than it would be for life in Andromeda being basically the same. Having unique compositions would be more favorable for the abiogenesis notion. Here on Earth, it could be argued that one form destroyed the others or otherwise survived any possible hypothetical other forms. However, on other planets if abiogenesis occurred it would have decreasing likelihood for the same composition surviving in multiple non-interactive locations. It would not be impossible to explain uniqueness by a common designer, but in such a case it would be more in favor of abiogenesis. Also, it would not be impossible to explain all life being the same, as then non-interaction would just be thrown out the door in favor of things such as wormholes and space-faring ancestor aliens and all so much of Farscape and Stargate.



skafather84
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 20 Mar 2006
Age: 41
Gender: Male
Posts: 9,848
Location: New Orleans, LA

28 May 2010, 11:47 am

Believe in them? No. Believe in the potential for them? Sure.


_________________
Wherever they burn books they will also, in the end, burn human beings. ~Heinrich Heine, Almansor, 1823

?I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs or insanity for everyone, but they've always worked for me.? - Hunter S. Thompson


gemstone123
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Aug 2008
Age: 33
Gender: Female
Posts: 1,196
Location: UK

28 May 2010, 1:49 pm

Nope I don't believe.


_________________
Am usually bored so PMs are welcome!

Time is a great teacher, but unfortunately it kills all its pupils ...


auntblabby
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 12 Feb 2010
Gender: Male
Posts: 115,255
Location: the island of defective toy santas

29 May 2010, 1:32 am

i believe that the type of ET that travels dimensionally about, is as far above us in every respect, as we are above the amoeba.



PLA
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 10 May 2007
Age: 36
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,929
Location: Sweden

29 May 2010, 3:10 am

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
PLA wrote:
I would hesitate to call them "extra" anything if they don't leave their own territory,....


Terrestrial refers to the Latin name of this planet, Terra. Extra just refers to the nature of such creatures as not being from the planet Terra.

Oddly, I was thinking that "terrestrial" would refer to any rock world, interpreting it as "out-of-worlder" or "off-worlder", i.e. a traveller. Guess that shows how out of touch I am with some conventions.

Edit: Though I would still hesitate, as it would seem odd to call me an "extra-estonian", even though it's both accurate and a potentially useful distinction.


_________________
I can make a statement true by placing it first in this signature.

"Everyone loves the dolphin. A bitter shark - emerging from it's cold depths - doesn't stand a chance." This is hyperbol.

"Run, Jump, Fall, Limp off, Try Harder."


Sand
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Sep 2007
Age: 100
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,484
Location: Finland

29 May 2010, 6:56 am

auntblabby wrote:
i believe that the type of ET that travels dimensionally about, is as far above us in every respect, as we are above the amoeba.


Amoebas have been doing alright a hell of a lot longer than humans. Don't get so excited about your superiority.



Epilefftic
Deinonychus
Deinonychus

User avatar

Joined: 27 Apr 2010
Age: 38
Gender: Male
Posts: 350
Location: Long Island, NY, USA

29 May 2010, 7:48 am

I hope so. The mere thought that humans are the most advanced and intelligent species that the universe has to offer just makes me want to vomit from the mere illogicality of it.


_________________
"In the end, Darwin always wins" - Me


Lecks
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 May 2009
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,987
Location: Belgium

29 May 2010, 8:04 am

If the universe is anywhere near as massive as we think it is then I'm inclined to think there is at least 1 other planet capable of supporting life.

I don't put any shred of credibility in abduction claims or UFO sightings, though.



Sand
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 15 Sep 2007
Age: 100
Gender: Male
Posts: 11,484
Location: Finland

29 May 2010, 8:08 am

Lecks wrote:
If the universe is anywhere near as massive as we think it is then I'm inclined to think there is at least 1 other planet capable of supporting life.

I don't put any shred of credibility in abduction claims or UFO sightings, though.


And if that planet is a million light years away (which is a small distance in the universe) the ETs took at least about a million years to get here which seems an impractical way to make contact..



ruveyn
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 21 Sep 2008
Age: 89
Gender: Male
Posts: 31,502
Location: New Jersey

29 May 2010, 10:05 am

Sand wrote:
Lecks wrote:
If the universe is anywhere near as massive as we think it is then I'm inclined to think there is at least 1 other planet capable of supporting life.

I don't put any shred of credibility in abduction claims or UFO sightings, though.


And if that planet is a million light years away (which is a small distance in the universe) the ETs took at least about a million years to get here which seems an impractical way to make contact..


The only way we could make meaningful contact with intelligent alien beings is if they visited us (here) or we visited them (elsewhere). The stars are just too far away for meaningful conversation via a Morse lamp or its equivalent. SETI is only good for passive viewing.

ruveyn



Lecks
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 May 2009
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,987
Location: Belgium

29 May 2010, 12:44 pm

Sand wrote:
And if that planet is a million light years away (which is a small distance in the universe) the ETs took at least about a million years to get here which seems an impractical way to make contact..

Especially if all they came here for was anal probing some hicks.



Fuzzy
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 30 Mar 2006
Age: 53
Gender: Male
Posts: 5,223
Location: Alberta Canada

29 May 2010, 12:55 pm

Lecks wrote:
Sand wrote:
And if that planet is a million light years away (which is a small distance in the universe) the ETs took at least about a million years to get here which seems an impractical way to make contact..

Especially if all they came here for was anal probing some hicks.


Yeah, why dont they ever probe scientists?


_________________
davidred wrote...
I installed Ubuntu once and it completely destroyed my paying relationship with Microsoft.


Lecks
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 11 May 2009
Age: 39
Gender: Male
Posts: 4,987
Location: Belgium

29 May 2010, 2:11 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
Lecks wrote:
Sand wrote:
And if that planet is a million light years away (which is a small distance in the universe) the ETs took at least about a million years to get here which seems an impractical way to make contact..

Especially if all they came here for was anal probing some hicks.


Yeah, why dont they ever probe scientists?

Because they'd probe them back. :lol:



MissConstrue
Veteran
Veteran

User avatar

Joined: 4 Feb 2008
Gender: Female
Posts: 17,052
Location: MO

29 May 2010, 2:17 pm

I've encountered many ETs and been inside their incredible spaceships so yes I believes in them.

Praise jeebus


_________________
I live as I choose or I will not live at all.
~Delores O’Riordan