Pierre Josheph Proudhon on government
codarac wrote:
sartresue wrote:
codarac wrote:
sartresue wrote:
Rabidly against Jews topic
Here was another enlightened political visionary from the 19th centruy who advocated expelling Jews from France. Best to take Pierre with a jaundiced eye.
Here was another enlightened political visionary from the 19th centruy who advocated expelling Jews from France. Best to take Pierre with a jaundiced eye.
Another? Who were the the others?
A sordid list of racist writers topic
How many would you like me to list?
hitler
Proudhon
Drumont
Thomas Aquinas
Schopenhaur
Le Pen
David Irving
When you said "another" I thought you had in mind another person or persons from 19th century France, so I was just wondering who.
But if there are other figures (in addition to the ones above) from other times and places whose works you think we should treat with caution on account of their opinions about Jews, I would probably be interested.
Voltaire has already been mentioned. I've heard that Goethe, Dostoyevsky, Mikhail Bakunin, HL Mencken, Tacitus, Cicero, Edgar Degas, George Bernard Shaw, Roald Dahl, Immanuel Kant, TS Eliot, Denis Diderot, Henry Ford and Thomas Edison were anti-Semites too.
Don't forget Walt Disney.
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codarac wrote:
pbcoll wrote:
The quote is true enough if you live in North Korea, Botswana, Saudi Arabia, etc. In functioning democracies, one is not 'at the first word of complaint,' 'bound, imprisoned, shot, judged, condemned, banished, sacrificed, sold.' To pretend that this quote applies to the sort of places most WP members live in is petty and petulant.
I would say about half of the things referred to in the quote do apply to the functioning democracy that is Britain.
That's not to say I think the problem is 'government' in itself so much as bad government, though of course all governments have the potential to go bad.
Let's not exaggerate how things are in Britain: regarding 'shot' there's no death penalty and the police don't shoot at a whim, as for 'sold' slavery was abolished a long time ago, etc. Whereas for example, someone in my family, had he not fled in the nick of time from the country he was in at the time, would have been certainly tortured and probably executed for the crimes of being a student and holding a certain passport, someone else in my family was nearly executed for the crime of privately badmouthing the government, etc.
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