Encouragement to kill babies in the Christian Bible

Post Reply New Topic

The god portrayed in the Old Testament is an evil god, and not to be worshipped regardless of existence or lack of. However, if there is a god, I believe he/she is closer to the benevolent one portrayed in the New Testament.

Because the essence of Christianity isnt in the Bible, or in its god, its in its VALUES. Pacifism, equality, ect. These values DO NOT DEPEND ON BOOKS OR IMMORTAL BEINGS.


Yes. Your right. Its also not something most Christians would do.


And even so, this does not make it right.


You shouldnt believe everything in the Bible...

That said, if those passages ARE true, then Jesus was an enemy of Humanity, and let no amount of faith persuade you otherwise.


So that makes it ok? F*cking fundamentalist, we have no want or need for you. Go throw yourself in a lake or sumat.


QFT. Same goes for all religions, though. And lack of, for that matter - Stalin killed hundreds for believing in a higher power.


Still? Morality doesnt change based on society, as Ive been trying to explain in the right wing vs left wing thread. Holy war was never ok.


Not that Moses was any better, sacrificing "enemy" or "sinner" children to his idol.


Yes, and so he should be, if he exists. As I said before though, I believe if there is a god, he/she is benevolent.

Last edited by Assassin on 17 Apr 2006, 6:27 pm, edited 1 time in total.

True. Christians do not worship God. Christians worship Christianity.

True. And Christianity is, as I said before, pacifism, equality, selflessness, etc. Therefore an actual Christian is incapable of doing things like that and still being Christian.

Modern ones do, for their is a difference between Christianinty, and Christian spirituallity. Those are the 'luke-warm' Christians that know nothing about what they believe.

And no I'm not saying it is okay to kill non-believers because they have a different opinion on God. They were punished BECAUSE OF THEIR SIN, NOT THEIR STANCE ON GOD. God punished the Israelites (who believed in him by the way) for their lack of faith, and submission to fear by forcing them to roam the desert for forty years until the generation that sinned was dead (thus delaying their entry into the promised land)! You don't think he also punishes Christians for their sins?! Further more, Moses ordered the children and women to be spared (unless they lost their virginity), and the women were married (I mentioned both of these several times already. ) And did you completely miss the part were the Midianites were sacrificing their children to idols? Apparentely you think thats perfectly okay...

You keep thinking within the context of the old testament, which really defeats the purpose of this whole (pointless) argument because the way things work have long sinced changed. As I said before, their is no more Holy war because of this.

Assassin -- I am not sure if you consider yourself a Christian, but if all Christians were like you, I would not complain. Trouble is, far too many are like Odda.

Care to elaborate?

Ditto.


I think everyone here has ridiculed enough of the Bible and of the Old Testiment that no Christians really follow. We're of New Testiment not of the old. The Jewish people used the Old Testament and still do follow it. If you all stop digging things that aren't really there you all might learn something from what Jesus talked about. Even if you all want tear about what Christians and I believe take it some where else. Emp you just plain stupid to bring up old things that are dead and barried. Christians arose from the Jews. The Jewish people's sins is what put Jesus up on the cross. From then on after almost a million people knew that Jesus rose from the grave and of Jesus's followers spread the good news all over the world. That's where Christians came from. Of Jesus's teachings and some of the old testiment. Christians have nothing to do with Jewish tradations. Enough.

Thank you Tigerfire! That's exactly what I've been trying to tell him, and why I think this is pointless! XD

Assassin does not appear to suffer from fanaticism (excessive irrational enthusiasm) and does not defend blatantly unethical/immoral activities. Therefore I respect him even if I do not agree with everything he says.

What excately are you trying to say? I only posted because you started this whole thing. If you hadn't dug something you don't know about. Dig deeper. Not that I care about what you think I just don't want you ridiculing my Bible and all other Christian's Bible.

My message was not in response to you TigerFire.

Well it is now.

Not according to the bible. The Cannanites and Hittites (among others) were mentioned specifically as being no damn good whatsoever by Jehova himself. That's the same thing as calling them no good n****rs. Racisim was acceptable at the time the old testament was writen and its verses reflect this. It was'nt untill the Jews were dominated by the Romans that the concept of multi-culturalism entered their culture. That's why the new testament has a much different outlook than the old. Scripture followed the culture not the other way around.

I believe the New Testament is where Jesus tells slaves to obey their masters. -_- I also enjoy verses like Luke 14:26, and all of Paul's insane rantings about the general evil of women.

I'm sorry that you're wrong about no Christians pretending to believe in Judaic law to further their own bigoted ends...I'd really prefer if that were true, but unfortunately there's a huge Christian population that has a special affinity for pick-and-choose reading of Leviticus in particular.

And why should discussing what we think is wrong with Christianity as a theology not be allowed? If it bothers you, simply don't read the thread. It's a legitimate topic of debate, after all. If we were discussing the flaws of ancient Egyptian theology, or of the beliefs of neopagans, or of Confucian philosophy, odds are no one would be so insecure in his or her own beliefs to be all up in arms about it. If you have your faith, then follow the teachings of what you believe, and the ravings of heathen skeptics shouldn't bother you. Didn't bother Jesus much, at least according to the book.

Emp, are you happy and satisfied with your life and who you are???? If not...Then what do you have to offer me? I like who I am and who I have become. And I wouldn't trade my faith for anything. I don't need to debate anyone because I don't feel threatened by them, if they don't agree with me...then so what. If you are so worried about God killing your babies and so convinced that he will unless you are a Christian......THEN GET SAVED. There are alot of faiths and lifestyles I don't agree with...............so what? RacketyTamm practices Wicka..you think I practice that...NOWAY. But I like him, and he dosn't care what my opinion is on his faith anyways. And from what I see with you....in my opinion, you aren't getting prayed for hard enough. So I challenge every Christian who is reading your postings, to pray for you. I know I am going to.

Mostly, yes. There are various things that I need or want to fix or improve and I am working hard on these, but for the most part or fundamentally, yes.



I guess the rest of your message is non-applicable because I answered yes (mostly) for the previous question.