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12 Jul 2010, 3:46 pm

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This is the religious counterargument, given in rational terms, eg "Without our Jesus, who do you love? Is death just the end for you?" etc.
I don't personally believe this.

What is the point of making arguments that you don't personally believe? Why don't you let the people who do believe this speak for themselves?


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12 Jul 2010, 4:09 pm

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It seems that few of the strident atheists here, perhaps most, may be atheist agnostics, so it seems.

I would technically fit into that category, and I know that.



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12 Jul 2010, 4:32 pm

Thanks for closing your board Richard Dawkins now all those boring arguments are spamming everywhere.



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12 Jul 2010, 4:37 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
greenblue wrote:
It seems that few of the strident atheists here, perhaps most, may be atheist agnostics, so it seems.

I would technically fit into that category, and I know that.

Do you? I must have misunderstood several of your posts then unless you were just lying during the campaign. :)

I think the point the OP was trying to make is that it takes as much faith to believe that God does not exist as it does to believe that he does. If an atheist simply does not believe in God than the term agnostic would do, it is for those who believe there is no God that we need a different word.

It might be well is some of the strident atheists who are less than certain that God does not exist would express that more often.


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12 Jul 2010, 4:47 pm

NobelCynic wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
greenblue wrote:
It seems that few of the strident atheists here, perhaps most, may be atheist agnostics, so it seems.

I would technically fit into that category, and I know that.

Do you? I must have misunderstood several of your posts then unless you were just lying during the campaign. :)

I think the point the OP was trying to make is that it takes as much faith to believe that God does not exist as it does to believe that he does. If an atheist simply does not believe in God than the term agnostic would do, it is for those who believe there is no God that we need a different word.

It might be well is some of the strident atheists who are less than certain that God does not exist would express that more often.

Well, NobelCynic, during the campaign I was literally spouting out anything that would work. This isn't to say that I am much much more an atheist than agnostic, but I am sure that you probably would notice that my skepticism and "nihilism" don't fit in too well with a positive stance on something like "atheism", so I would consider myself an atheist agnostic. Now, there are some gods I know don't exist, and there are some occasions that I take an argument too far, and I am certainly going to say "God really likely doesn't exist, as the possibility is ridiculous" but in any literal sense I haven't disproven the existence of all possible things one could label "God".



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12 Jul 2010, 5:17 pm

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People who believe in an invisible imaginary friend with magic superpowers from a thousand year old story book vs. people who believe in verifiable science.

Hmm.

I believe the counterargument is
But the people with the imaginary friend believe life has some meaning, and for the most part atheists and scientists haven't cultured a life philosophy that makes them as furfilled, regardless of truth.

I don't care about happiness, I care about truth. If happiness is gained through delusion, it has no worth.


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12 Jul 2010, 6:08 pm

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Do you? I must have misunderstood several of your posts then unless you were just lying during the campaign. :)

Who runs their own campaigns by being actually truthful? And well, I thought AG was auto-theist, rather than a-theist. :P


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12 Jul 2010, 6:15 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
This isn't to say that I am much much more an atheist than agnostic, but I am sure that you probably would notice that my skepticism and "nihilism" don't fit in too well with a positive stance on something like "atheism", so I would consider myself an atheist agnostic.

I understand that AG and I did notice that you usually do put some substance behind your posts, however some of your flock (we really should have a sarcasm smiley here) don't.

The question of God's existence has been discussed to death and there in nothing new to be said; yet there are those who continually jump into a thread to state unequivocally that there is no God or the belief in one is delusional without giving any reasons or adding anything to the conversion. This is pointless and annoying.


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13 Jul 2010, 1:16 am

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Who is more stupid?


no one is stupid.

the question itself is stupid.


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13 Jul 2010, 6:27 am

melbi wrote:
takemitsu wrote:
Who is more stupid?


no one is stupid.

the question itself is stupid.


Agreed, I don't see how you can even ask a question like this.


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13 Jul 2010, 12:38 pm

Blake_be_cool wrote:
melbi wrote:
takemitsu wrote:
Who is more stupid?


no one is stupid.

the question itself is stupid.


Agreed, I don't see how you can even ask a question like this.


I was using humor to ask the original question, but I didn't realize this subject was already beaten to death here.



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13 Jul 2010, 2:52 pm

takemitsu wrote:
Blake_be_cool wrote:
melbi wrote:
takemitsu wrote:
Who is more stupid?


no one is stupid.

the question itself is stupid.


Agreed, I don't see how you can even ask a question like this.


I was using humor to ask the original question, but I didn't realize this subject was already beaten to death here.


Thats ok. We like head-bashed-in zombies around here.


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13 Jul 2010, 3:06 pm

melbi wrote:
no one is stupid.

No one? well, I would say everyone.


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13 Jul 2010, 3:55 pm

greenblue wrote:
melbi wrote:
no one is stupid.

No one? well, I would say everyone.

Don't those just end up meaning the same thing?



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13 Jul 2010, 9:13 pm

Lecks wrote:
greenblue wrote:
melbi wrote:
no one is stupid.

No one? well, I would say everyone.

Don't those just end up meaning the same thing?

Yes, you are right.


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13 Jul 2010, 9:45 pm

Lecks wrote:
greenblue wrote:
melbi wrote:
no one is stupid.

No one? well, I would say everyone.

Don't those just end up meaning the same thing?


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... w=3&dur=3#


A documentary on stupidity.


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