Should the Jews rebuild the Temple of Jerusalem?

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Should the Jews Rebuild the Temple of Jerusalem?
Yes 52%  52%  [ 14 ]
No 37%  37%  [ 10 ]
I don't care, just show the results 11%  11%  [ 3 ]
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11 Aug 2010, 8:47 pm

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I suppose that it might happen someday, if the USA eventually elects a president who likes the idea. Then, for example, when a new Bible comes out in the next thousand years, President Obama will get the same kudos that the present Bible directs at Cyrus. President Bush would never have countenanced it--he was far too buddy-buddy with King Faisal.

Cyrus was a powerful leader that united the Medes and the Persians, then Conquered the Babylonian Empire. Obama is a divisive leader with dwindling support that bows to foreign dignitaries and doesn't have a clue WTF a military is for.

And there won't be another Bible anyway.


Why not?

If President Obama does rebuild the Temple of Jerusalem, then I think that would be cause for at least adding some new books to the Bible. If Cyrus made it, why not Obama (assuming that he does rebuild the temple)?



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11 Aug 2010, 11:33 pm

Exclavius wrote:
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Exclavius wrote:
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pandabear wrote:
I suppose that it might happen someday, if the USA eventually elects a president who likes the idea. Then, for example, when a new Bible comes out in the next thousand years, President Obama will get the same kudos that the present Bible directs at Cyrus. President Bush would never have countenanced it--he was far too buddy-buddy with King Faisal.

One problem is that a mosque sits atop part of the temple ruins.

If the Jews do rebuild the temple, will animal sacrifices come back?

And, if the Jews do rebuild the temple, does that mean that all of the scary things described in Revelations will start to unfold? Would we all be better off just not rebuilding the temple, so that we can stop those things from happening?


I think they can rebuild it whenever they feel like it! :lol: Personally, I'd take it as a good sign if they did.

Someone mentioned scientifically putting the Bible to rest. There is a SLIGHT problem with that. The Bible does not specify WHEN the temple will be rebuilt, so there's no guarantee that the events of Revelation will begin to happen if the Temple were rebuilt, say, next year. For all we really know, prophecies regarding the Temple destruction and rebuilding point to an as-yet unbuilt temple that will, as its ancient predecessors, be destroyed and rebuilt at an even much later date. The fulfillment of prophecy includes the rebuilding of "a" temple, but also includes other related factors and events as well.


Ahhh the beauty of ambiguity in prophecy. How convenient. Well written prophecy is always either self-fulfilling or obscure enough that it can apply to anything, depending upon the time and place.


Not necessarily. It just means that events must be carefully weighed as to whether they really do fulfill prophecy or not. The prophets of the OT DID make short-term prophecies for the purpose of verifying that their messages came directly from God. Prophecies that failed identified prophets as false.


Wow, that sounds like the Stanford ESP tests in the 70's. If you fell outside of the 95% confidence interval of random chance, you were said to have ESP. Interestingly enough, 5% of the people did.


All I can say is that I'm not a prophet or the son of a prophet. I just work for a non-profit. I don't doubt the possibility that God can reveal future happenings to those whom He chooses. I just think the Biblical eschatology is sufficient and that prophecy in the modern era is unnecessary. Just my opinion, of course, but we do know in the past prophets made predictions that did occur.

For example, the prophecy that Edom would be completely wiped out DID happen, though it took until after the destruction of the 2nd Temple for its destruction to be complete. That would be a gap of a few hundred years. Messianic prophecies were fulfilled in Jesus. Eschatological prophecies cannot be fulfilled until the beginning of the end. And as you can see, we're perfectly safe for the time being. If I suddenly vanish in mid-sentence, then you'll know I was possibly wr



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12 Aug 2010, 1:14 am

Yes. Go ahead. I double dog DARE you.


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12 Aug 2010, 10:00 am

pgd wrote:
http://www.templeinstitute.org/


No one alive today has any idea what the sacred vessels of the First Temple were like.

Also there is no use rebuilding the Temple because we do not have the Ark of the Covenant to put in it. All it would be would be a large barbeque site for kosher animals.

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12 Aug 2010, 10:34 am

Whatever happened to the Ark of the Covenant? A Temple with big kosher barbecues sounds like fun. Much better than bread and grapejuice, plus the occasional potluck which is heavy on the macaroni plus Campbell's Cream of Mushroom Soup as prime ingredients. So many variations, but all about the same after a few potlucks.



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12 Aug 2010, 11:21 am

pandabear wrote:
Whatever happened to the Ark of the Covenant? A Temple with big kosher barbecues sounds like fun.


Heck yes! And the meat would be fresh, too!


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12 Aug 2010, 4:28 pm

Actually, the Temple of Jerusalem hasn't housed the Ark of the Covenant since 586 B.C.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ark_of_the_Covenant

The Second Temple of Jerusalem was renovated by King Herod in 19 B.C.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Temple

(actually, the old one was torn down, and a new temple built in its place).

Poor old King Herod never got much positive press in the Bible.

Herod's Temple could probably be reproduced somewhere around Jerusalem. Then, at least, Jewish Sacrificial Worship could be reinstated.



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12 Aug 2010, 5:44 pm

If memory serves, the Temple can be built no where other than Temple mount, making the speculation about other locations moot.


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12 Aug 2010, 6:49 pm

I curse John Nelson Darby and regret that there was no Spanish Inquisition to put him on the barbecue.



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12 Aug 2010, 7:49 pm

What if they build it on the Temple Mount, but adjacent to that mosque? Surely a holy architect could come up with something tasteful (really looking forward to those barbecues)



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12 Aug 2010, 9:05 pm

pandabear wrote:
What if they build it on the Temple Mount, but adjacent to that mosque? Surely a holy architect could come up with something tasteful (really looking forward to those barbecues)


The entire mount is occupied by Muslim structures. It is politically infeasible to clear the Temple Mount. Perhaps an earthquake that will wreck the Mosques will do the trick.

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13 Aug 2010, 1:06 am

If they rebuild the temple it would need to be BIG because every Jew in the world would need to fly in a couple of times a year dragging a calf or a sheep with them.

That would make it the world's biggest and smelliest slaughterhouse.

How many modern Jews would actually believe that if you do something wrong and set fire to a sheep then god will be pleased with you?

The rest of us know that isn't true. If you are serious then you must sacrifice a virgin. :twisted:



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13 Aug 2010, 1:53 am

Wombat wrote:
If they rebuild the temple it would need to be BIG because every Jew in the world would need to fly in a couple of times a year dragging a calf or a sheep with them.

That would make it the world's biggest and smelliest slaughterhouse.

How many modern Jews would actually believe that if you do something wrong and set fire to a sheep then god will be pleased with you?

The rest of us know that isn't true. If you are serious then you must sacrifice a virgin. :twisted:


For those who come from afar, the Commandment is that they buy their sacrificial animals on site and not schlepp them a great distance. I am sure the Temple money changers would be happy to work with credit or debit cards.

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13 Aug 2010, 2:32 am

I'm Christian and well the things predicted in the bible are quite scary and many are coming true.


"Surely I will take the children of Israel
from among the nations,
wherever they have gone,
and will gather them from every side
and bring them into their own land."
- Ezekiel 37:21

The Hebrew people in the 20th century formed their own nation again for the first time in thousands of years.



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13 Aug 2010, 5:43 am

danieltaiwan wrote:
I'm Christian and well the things predicted in the bible are quite scary and many are coming true.


"Surely I will take the children of Israel
from among the nations,
wherever they have gone,
and will gather them from every side
and bring them into their own land."
- Ezekiel 37:21

The Hebrew people in the 20th century formed their own nation again for the first time in thousands of years.


I hate to spoil your day but most of the 25 million Jews in the world do NOT live in Israel.

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