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14 Sep 2010, 8:32 am

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Hi there, I've been seeing short programmes on the T.V recently supporting the growth of faith schools in the UK. Personally I think faith schools aren't good because they encourage segregation, it allows very religious people to keep their children cut off from the rest of society. I believe this in turn can cause dangerous and extremist views to become OK and accepted within ever growing communities. I think people in society should all receive the same level of education based on established fact and logical thinking, religion should be kept separate of education and politics, because as history has shown it only causes problems whether you believe in god or not. To teach a child that the universe is less than 10000 years old and that faith (or ignorance) is a virtue isn't far from child abuse and I repeat again VERY DANGEROUS.

What are your views on this people?

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Who or what a child associates with is a matter for parents to decide, not the State.

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It still stands that religion and faith be left out of the education system, how about if I home tutored my daughter to believe reality is just a computer simulation, and that peace and everlasting glory is achieved only with genocide of people that don't believe us?

Who teaches that "peace...is achieved only with genocide of people that don't believe us?" I assume you're talking about Islam. Not all religions are like that.

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14 Sep 2010, 8:39 am

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That is a consequence of liberty. Most parents would not hamper their children like that. If you mean to imply the State is better at bringing up children than the parents, take a look at the abomination of child "welfare" services in the various states. If you think the State is better at schooling children consider that the United States ranks less than 20th in the world for science and math schooling.

Ask yourself: who is more likely to have the good of the child in mind - the State or the parents of the child?

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14 Sep 2010, 9:22 am

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Is it not possible that such a low standard of science and math teaching in the states is due more to the fact that 40% of Americans have been indoctrinated to think that the universe is less than 10000 years old, and that Christians punch more political weight than anyone else? I accept that state schooling isn't always exactly high quality, and the same is true here in the UK, it's a shame that public/state schools don't receive the same funding as faith schools. It seems religion has more wealth with which to indoctrinate children with, and are currently trying to get "intelligent design" taught as a serious alternative to evolution (go figure). Faith schools don't teach liberty, they teach intolerant beliefs that lead to homophobia, sexism and violence. The trouble being that these people genuinely believe that they are gods people just because they know they are, because an ancient book told them so, they really do believe when they teach this intolerance that they are doing right by their child. Any rational person can see the danger in this.

Is it not reasonable to say that all children should receive in principle the same education?, and I repeat yet again, an education based on facts, evidence and rational thinking.

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14 Sep 2010, 9:28 am

AngelRho wrote:

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:):)

Who or what a child associates with is a matter for parents to decide, not the State.

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Who teaches that "peace...is achieved only with genocide of people that don't believe us?" I assume you're talking about Islam. Not all religions are like that.

Whether it be genocide, homophobia, intolerance to other peoples beliefs, treating women as second class citizens or that ignorance is a virtue the principle remains the same.

I demand you respect my belief that reality is a simulation, and that homosexuals and people that don't believe are evil.

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14 Sep 2010, 9:49 am

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Who or what a child associates with is a matter for parents to decide, not the State.

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I guess I'm of the opinion that children are not just property of their parents.
They have rights, and one of those rights is to not be indoctrinated against their will.

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14 Sep 2010, 9:59 am

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Who or what a child associates with is a matter for parents to decide, not the State.

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I guess I'm of the opinion that children are not just property of their parents.
They have rights, and one of those rights is to not be indoctrinated against their will.

Children are not property, period. The law assigns the primary responsibility of child care to the parent and family of the children. It is only on default of this that the State takes a role in the care and upbringing of a child. In theory the State also intervenes in cases of child abuse, but if you examine the performance of child welfare services in most states, you will find the government does little to help abused children and what it does, it does badly.

Only in a collectivist ant-heap society are children considered primarily as wards of the State.

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14 Sep 2010, 10:21 am

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In theory the State also intervenes in cases of child abuse, but if you examine the performance of child welfare services in most states, you will find the government does little to help abused children and what it does, it does badly.

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I can agree with you here.

Still, it disturbs me that a parent indoctrinating their child with fanciful, sometimes horrendously scary tales is a "right",
yet it's emotional abuse when inflicted on one adult by another adult, or by the state.

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14 Sep 2010, 10:28 am

Sex ed in catholic school consisted of showing a final stage gonorrhea* zombie type person who'd been eaten alive (like one guy literally missing his nose) by the disease and showing other extremely graphic images of VD, normally in late stages.

Freakin' Jesuit schools and those perverse anti-sex freaks.

*Maybe it was syphilis I dunno which disease, all I know is that it preparation for later grossout stuff like goatse.cx and tubgirl.

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14 Sep 2010, 10:34 am

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My girlfriend was simply taught nothing at all at her Catholic secondary school

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14 Sep 2010, 10:35 am

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Reminds me of those caricaturesque films on the same subject from the fifties...

"Poor Johnny. There was no way for him to know that Sue...and look at him now. Poor Johnny."

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14 Sep 2010, 10:52 am

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My girlfriend was simply taught nothing at all at her Catholic secondary school

Girls are receiving vessels, they don't need to be taught anything since they shouldn't be whores anyways.

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14 Sep 2010, 10:59 am

skafather84 wrote:

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My girlfriend was simply taught nothing at all at her Catholic secondary school

Girls are receiving vessels, they don't need to be taught anything since they shouldn't be whores anyways.

Are you being serious?

I hope not

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14 Sep 2010, 11:03 am

mattc wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

mattc wrote:

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My girlfriend was simply taught nothing at all at her Catholic secondary school

Girls are receiving vessels, they don't need to be taught anything since they shouldn't be whores anyways.

Are you being serious?

I hope not

I'm being sarcastically facetious and mocking the underlying meaning of the actions of those schools.

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14 Sep 2010, 1:35 pm

skafather84 wrote:

mattc wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

mattc wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

My girlfriend was simply taught nothing at all at her Catholic secondary school

Girls are receiving vessels, they don't need to be taught anything since they shouldn't be whores anyways.

Are you being serious?

I hope not

I'm being sarcastically facetious and mocking the underlying meaning of the actions of those schools.

Fair enough, I have problems seeing sarcasm sometimes :oops:

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