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30 Sep 2010, 6:01 am

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Black people are very unlikely to be given the job when there are white applicants. They are not given as good an education when they live in ghettos. Generally the areas they live in have awful services. No wonder they are more likely to commit crime than white people. White people would do the same if we were a minority living in a ghetto in an African or Carribean country.

To sum up, we need to help minorities integrate more. It will mean they get better education, feel they belong in America and Europe more and they will become more like the majority and the majority will also learn the values of their culture and the good ones will be taken into the melting pot.


So if cities spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop a "race free" test for hiring or promoting police or firemen, and black people still score low then we should promote them over more qualified applicants "just because"?

I hope if you need heart surgery they give you some African surgeon who was hired just to make quota.



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30 Sep 2010, 6:11 am

Wombat wrote:
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Black people are very unlikely to be given the job when there are white applicants. They are not given as good an education when they live in ghettos. Generally the areas they live in have awful services. No wonder they are more likely to commit crime than white people. White people would do the same if we were a minority living in a ghetto in an African or Carribean country.

To sum up, we need to help minorities integrate more. It will mean they get better education, feel they belong in America and Europe more and they will become more like the majority and the majority will also learn the values of their culture and the good ones will be taken into the melting pot.


So if cities spend hundreds of thousands of dollars to develop a "race free" test for hiring or promoting police or firemen, and black people still score low then we should promote them over more qualified applicants "just because"?

I hope if you need heart surgery they give you some African surgeon who was hired just to make quota.


What you are claiming is that black people are inherently dumb. I don't subscribe to that.



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30 Sep 2010, 6:11 am

greenblue wrote:
Yes, but that wouldn't be racism (from current conventions), would it?


How is fighting over handedness any different in principle than fighting over skin color? Both are accidental characteristics having little or nothing to do with values or character.

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30 Sep 2010, 6:13 am

WonkyDonkey wrote:

Black people are very unlikely to be given the job when there are white applicants. They are not given as good an education when they live in ghettos. Generally the areas they live in have awful services. No wonder they are more likely to commit crime than white people. White people would do the same if we were a minority living in a ghetto in an African or Carribean country.


I suggest that you talk to the owners and operators of professional athletic teams.

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30 Sep 2010, 6:48 am

Sand wrote:
What you are claiming is that black people are inherently dumb. I don't subscribe to that.


Well if that isn't true then they don't need any special treatment, do they?

No one suggests we need "quotas" for Chinese or Jews, do they?

How many stories have you read where Chinese or Vietnamese immigrants have come from a terrible past.
They come to America at the age of ten not knowing a word of English yet end up topping the state in their high school results?

Black kids are born American citizens speaking English.
Thanks to "bussing" they go to the same school as white kids.

If they screw up or drop out it is THEIR OWN FAULT. It isn't MY fault.it isn't YOUR fault. It isn't "SOCIETY'S" fault.
IT IS THEIR OWN FAULT.



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30 Sep 2010, 7:10 am

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It's much more simple and direct to kill anybody whose skin shows the slightest indication of any color but cream white. It's a very messy beginning but it solves just so many problems. Freckles don't count.

Erradicating all other races will stop racism, with only one existing, there is no point of being racist.


Race is also irrelevant.

Ever been to an majority white ghetto? They can be as bad as anyplace else. The reality of free housing = no pride of ownership means they let the place fall apart, complain when something doesn't work right, often strip anything valuable out of the place to sell for drugs, etc.



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30 Sep 2010, 3:30 pm

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I know Godwin's law and all that but clearing out the ghettos and keeping a racial purity? COME ON!! How am I supposed to NOT go there??


That's the challenge dude ;)

First one to weaken gets banned :twisted:


From wiki on Godwin's Law. "The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions covering genocide, propaganda, eugenics (racial superiority) or other mainstays of Nazi Germany, nor, more debatably, to discussion of other totalitarian regimes, since a Nazi comparison in those circumstances may be appropriate."


Compare away, Mein Herr.


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30 Sep 2010, 6:09 pm

Macbeth wrote:
BigK wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
I know Godwin's law and all that but clearing out the ghettos and keeping a racial purity? COME ON!! How am I supposed to NOT go there??


That's the challenge dude ;)

First one to weaken gets banned :twisted:


From wiki on Godwin's Law. "The law and its corollaries would not apply to discussions covering genocide, propaganda, eugenics (racial superiority) or other mainstays of Nazi Germany, nor, more debatably, to discussion of other totalitarian regimes, since a Nazi comparison in those circumstances may be appropriate."


Compare away, Mein Herr.


Because some guy named Godwin decided that mentioning the most disgustingly nasty regime in current history is inappropriate in some contexts why should anybody give a damn? Nazism is a good benchmark for human depravity, as well as the totalitarian regimes that existed in the USSR, China, Spain, Italy and several other countries in other continents. It's always useful to be reminded that vicious imbeciles frequently can control large numbers of people and Hitler is a prime example.



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01 Oct 2010, 5:01 am

WonkyDonkey wrote:
This is a controversial opinion but you never get anywhere by always being polite. My opinion is we will never solve racism in America and Europe until we get rid of ghettos. The way to do it is simple but will upset some people. Make a law that says no more than 40% of the citizens on one street, block or apartment building can be classed as an ethnic or religious minority.

As soon as any street, block, or apartment building has reached a rate of having 40% of its occupants belonging to an ethnic or religious minority, no more are allowed to move in.


Do you mean 40% belonging to a single minority group (say, black) or just 40% of people being "minorities" (which could mean 20% black plus 20% hispanic)?
(If it is the latter, what would you suggest should be done when America gets to the stage where every racial group is a minority?)

WonkyDonkey wrote:
To sum up, we need to help minorities integrate more. It will mean they get better education, feel they belong in America and Europe more and they will become more like the majority and the majority will also learn the values of their culture and the good ones will be taken into the melting pot.


Why stop at America and Europe? Does this thing called "racism" not exist elsewhere?

skafather84 wrote:
I know Godwin's law and all that but clearing out the ghettos and keeping a racial purity? COME ON!! How am I supposed to NOT go there??


I think I can see why you have interpreted WonkyDonkey's post that way, but it seems to me he is actually promoting racial integration. Isn't that an end that all liberals agree on?