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04 Nov 2010, 4:17 pm

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but mysticism carries too much of an implication of magic or the supernatural and hallucinations are entirely natural. it's our perspective that makes them "mystical."

I consider it more like how magic is merely technology we don't understand yet. Mysticism is psychology and pharmacology that we don't understand yet.

And if the chaos magicians are right, maybe physics too. :p

Some kinds of mysticism are denials of cause and order in the physical world and belief in non physical entities and processes. That is an error. Everything that exists is physical.

All there is are energy and matter in the void.

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Everything that is physical is not yet detected or fully understood. Or are you withholding the secrets of the graviton and dark matter? In the mystic sense, light is non-physical. It's a different dialect than what you're used to.

i like that definition of mysticism and i'm always a fan of that definition of magic but those are both ways of explaining the words away and all the more reason to consider them akin.

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04 Nov 2010, 4:36 pm

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The graviton has never been detected. At this juncture, it is a purely hypothetical particle as the neutrino once was. But neutrinos have been detected. Gravitons have not.

And I know more about photons than you do.

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04 Nov 2010, 5:49 pm

skafather84 wrote:

The OP asked about mystic experiences and direct connections to "god" ...

No, the OP asked only this:

JedCurtis wrote:

... are there any autistic mystics who care to share their interest in a direct connection to God?

Are you in that category or simply pontificating?

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04 Nov 2010, 6:40 pm

waltur wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

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but mysticism carries too much of an implication of magic or the supernatural and hallucinations are entirely natural. it's our perspective that makes them "mystical."

i like that definition of mysticism and i'm always a fan of that definition of magic but those are both ways of explaining the words away and all the more reason to consider them akin.

Yeah. Magic isn't real in its literal claims and mysticism isn't either.

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04 Nov 2010, 7:13 pm

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Anything that can come through a magnifying glass and fry an ant is as real as rain or as real as fire. Light is as physical as physical can be. It can turn wheels and punch holes through steel.

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04 Nov 2010, 8:49 pm

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I know that. It's also fun because it can act as both a particle and as a wave (and also seems to be the speed limit of our dimension and approaching its speed incurs severe relativistic effects) but despite your proficiency in physics, you seem to be lacking in literary proficiency.

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04 Nov 2010, 9:05 pm

JedCurtis wrote:

If the premise of William Stillman's book "Autism and the God Connection" is correct, are there any autistic mystics who care to share their interest in a direct connection to God?

What is the premise of William Stillman's book?

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04 Nov 2010, 9:30 pm

JedCurtis wrote:

If the premise of William Stillman's book "Autism and the God Connection" is correct, are there any autistic mystics who care to share their interest in a direct connection to God?

That looks interesting JedCurtis, I'll have to check that out when my local library finds it (it wasn't where it was supposed to be tonight.

There is a lot more to mysticism than a direct connection to God and few mystics get that far. If you want to learn something about it from someone who might know more than the strident atheists you might want to look at this book.

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05 Nov 2010, 3:21 am

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That is because I am literal minded. It is a genetic trait.

By the way, the notion of particle and wave are metaphors. The first thing to learn is to use metaphors, not riefy them. Light is neither a particle nor a wave. It isn't a rigid solid and there is no medium in which it can undulate. However particle and wave are metaphors that can be applied to light usefully provided they are not taken literally.

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10 Nov 2010, 8:15 pm

Thank you NobelCynic- I haven't read Underhill but I see she is infuenced by three of my favorite writers- Thomas a Kempis, St. Teresa and Walt Whitman.

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10 Nov 2010, 9:43 pm

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What is the premise of William Stillman's book?

That there is a supernatural realm and that at least some autistic people are in various ways connected to it or at least sensitive to it ... or something like that.

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11 Nov 2010, 5:42 am

leejosepho wrote:

Moog wrote:

What is the premise of William Stillman's book?

That there is a supernatural realm and that at least some autistic people are in various ways connected to it or at least sensitive to it ... or something like that.

There is not a scintilla of objective evidence that indicates such a realm exists. When we encounter a part of physical reality that we do not comprehend we say that it is run by mystical non-material non-physical forces. Even the great Kepler initially thought the planets were pushed tangentially around the sun by angels.

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11 Nov 2010, 5:45 am

ruveyn wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

Moog wrote:

What is the premise of William Stillman's book?

That there is a supernatural realm and that at least some autistic people are in various ways connected to it or at least sensitive to it ... or something like that.

Yeah, Angels do all the heavy lifting

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11 Nov 2010, 10:17 am

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There is not a scintilla of objective evidence that indicates such a realm exists.

My experience in life is different, and it does not include the foolish belief I could make an opposing statement of any greater value.

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When we encounter a part of physical reality we do not comprehend ...

When I speak of the supernatural or spiritual realm, I am not speaking of any part of physical reality ... and I get a kick out of the presence of the censorship switch that seems to get flipped around here whenever something like this comes up!

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11 Nov 2010, 10:59 am

leejosepho wrote:

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There is not a scintilla of objective evidence that indicates such a realm exists.

My experience in life is different, and it does not include the foolish belief I could make an opposing statement of any greater value.

ruveyn wrote:

When we encounter a part of physical reality we do not comprehend ...

Your experience is subjective. If I do not share your "experience" then I have no way of knowing whether what you are experiencing is real or just your private hallucination.

There is no supernatural realm. Everything that exists is physical (but not necessarily material). We are far from knowing all the laws of the physical and we may become extinct long before we do. As Carl Sagan one said: The Cosmos is all there is, all that was and all that will ever be.

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11 Nov 2010, 2:41 pm

ruveyn wrote:

leejosepho wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

There is not a scintilla of objective evidence that indicates such a realm exists.

My experience in life is different, and it does not include the foolish belief I could make an opposing statement of any greater value.

ruveyn wrote:

When we encounter a part of physical reality we do not comprehend ...

where's the censorship?

leejosepho: "reality" consists only of what is "real." if your position is that the "spiritual realm" or "god" aren't constituents of "reality," i agree wholeheartedly.

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