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06 Nov 2010, 12:36 am

Raymond_Fawkes wrote:
to be honest , I never liked Keith Olbermann. I always thought he was a far left liberal douche who never understood America and when he donated to Jack Conway I knew I was right.


Keith Olbermann has defended Walmart, said that Rustbelt jobs disappeared solely due to sectoral shifts in the industry, and never mentions the plight of the Palestinian people. Let's not forget that at best, when one looks at the content of his political views rather than the tone he's at best a European reform-liberal, I hardly see how "far left" is justified. But, then again, I suppose anything left of total corporate welfarism is "far-left" to you. :roll:


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06 Nov 2010, 12:36 am

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Haven't you guys heard you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar?


Because Rush Limbaugh has his big following by just being a big cuddly sweety. :lol:


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06 Nov 2010, 12:38 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
Raymond_Fawkes wrote:
to be honest , I never liked Keith Olbermann. I always thought he was a far left liberal douche who never understood America and when he donated to Jack Conway I knew I was right.


Keith Olbermann has defended Walmart, said that Rustbelt jobs disappeared solely due to sectoral shifts in the industry, and never mentions the plight of the Palestinian people. Let's not forget that at best, when one looks at the content of his political views rather than the tone he's at best a European reform-liberal, I hardly see how "far left" is justified. But, then again, I suppose anything left of total corporate welfarism is "far-left" to you. :roll:


Yeah, I always thought of him more as center-left with probably the farthest left thing about him merely being his vocal opposition of the far right (which, again...democrats = center right; republicans = far right...people don't realize where the lines are in the political spectrum anymore).


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06 Nov 2010, 12:44 am

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Raymond_Fawkes wrote:
to be honest , I never liked Keith Olbermann. I always thought he was a far left liberal douche who never understood America and when he donated to Jack Conway I knew I was right.


Keith Olbermann has defended Walmart, said that Rustbelt jobs disappeared solely due to sectoral shifts in the industry, and never mentions the plight of the Palestinian people. Let's not forget that at best, when one looks at the content of his political views rather than the tone he's at best a European reform-liberal, I hardly see how "far left" is justified. But, then again, I suppose anything left of total corporate welfarism is "far-left" to you. :roll:


Yeah, I always thought of him more as center-left with probably the farthest left thing about him merely being his vocal opposition of the far right (which, again...democrats = center right; republicans = far right...people don't realize where the lines are in the political spectrum anymore).


I think a lot of it has to do with tone. A lot of people these days (I'M LOOKING AT YOU, JON STEWART) confuse a loud tone with radical content. But, as Glenn Greenwald has noted, some people who are very polite and soft-spoken (John Yoo, for instance) harbour extremely abhorent ideas.


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06 Nov 2010, 12:55 am

skafather84 wrote:
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Haven't you guys heard you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar?


Because Rush Limbaugh has his big following by just being a big cuddly sweety. :lol:


I'm not saying it's fair but that's the way it works. Liberals/Progressives come off as big city elitists who look down their nose at middle America as stupid, ignorant, racist, and that they know what's best for them whether they like it or not. The left of the Democratic party seems to only be reinforcing that belief. That's why they lost so huge this time, there is a huge disconnect.



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06 Nov 2010, 1:12 am

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Don't really understand the left's fascination with Alan Grayson. Some folks even want the guy to be the chair of the DNC. He's actually good on the war and the FED but is an insane d-bag. Haven't you guys heard you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar? You'll turn way more people off with people like Grayson and Pelosi. You'd be MUCH better served going with people like Howard Dean(he's got a little crazy in him too but I don't find him as offensive) and Russ Feingold to lead your movement.

I think he'd make a good talk-show host, that's all.

Also, if you're going to call Alan Grayson an insane d-bag will you at least admit that Beck and Limbaugh are also insane d-bags? I mean, at least d-bags on the left have a conscience and stand up for the little guy, unlike the rabid social Darwinist d-bags on the right.



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06 Nov 2010, 1:52 am

Jacoby wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Jacoby wrote:
Haven't you guys heard you can catch more flies with honey than vinegar?


Because Rush Limbaugh has his big following by just being a big cuddly sweety. :lol:


I'm not saying it's fair but that's the way it works. Liberals/Progressives come off as big city elitists who look down their nose at middle America as stupid, ignorant, racist, and that they know what's best for them whether they like it or not. The left of the Democratic party seems to only be reinforcing that belief. That's why they lost so huge this time, there is a huge disconnect.


That's odd, given that it was the centre-leftists who extended symapthy to Gene Cranick while the far-right mocked his accent. The reason the Democrats lost, by the way, was because of the high unemployment and underemployment rate.


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06 Nov 2010, 2:43 am

Raymond_Fawkes wrote:
to be honest , I never liked Keith Olbermann. I always thought he was a far left liberal douche who never understood America and when he donated to Jack Conway I knew I was right.


Conway ran against a nut who proved it further with his "there is no rich, there is no poor, there is no middle class" comment on election day. Olbermann was right yet again.



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06 Nov 2010, 4:18 am

Rand Paul will be the best senator since Barry Goldwater.



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06 Nov 2010, 4:23 am

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Rand Paul will be the best senator since Barry Goldwater.


There was only one Barry Goldwater and he is gone from or midst. We lost a great opportunity in 1964. The Democrats demonized him and impugned his sanity. He was the last Republican that had true libertarian blood flowing through his veins. He was a decent man and had reservations about government power. By the way, homosexuals lost a great friend when he was defeated. He was very inclined to remove the restrictions against homosexuals in the military service. And he was a rock ribbed Republican too!

I never voted for a major party candidate after 1964.

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06 Nov 2010, 12:45 pm

I find the whole situation pretty messed up. Journalists are supposed to be the watchdogs. They're the ones who are supposed to inform the public of corruption within government, not the other way around. There is little in the way of informative, obective news these days as watch our sources being bought out one by one. Why are we so accepting of these practices? The line between opinion and fact has all but disappeared, and the public hasn't even seemed to notice.

Oh and I frickin hate Comcast. They're way overpriced and their service stinks.



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06 Nov 2010, 1:23 pm

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I find the whole situation pretty messed up. Journalists are supposed to be the watchdogs. They're the ones who are supposed to inform the public of corruption within government, not the other way around. There is little in the way of informative, obective news these days as watch our sources being bought out one by one. Why are we so accepting of these practices? The line between opinion and fact has all but disappeared, and the public hasn't even seemed to notice.


Journalists write or tell stories, for which they are paid.

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06 Nov 2010, 1:29 pm

ruveyn wrote:
number5 wrote:
I find the whole situation pretty messed up. Journalists are supposed to be the watchdogs. They're the ones who are supposed to inform the public of corruption within government, not the other way around. There is little in the way of informative, obective news these days as watch our sources being bought out one by one. Why are we so accepting of these practices? The line between opinion and fact has all but disappeared, and the public hasn't even seemed to notice.


Journalists write or tell stories, for which they are paid.

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Of course, but there used to integrity within the profession. Journalists in the past didn't typically receive very high incomes either.



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06 Nov 2010, 1:54 pm

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Oh and I frickin hate Comcast. They're way overpriced and their service stinks.

Yup. Comsucks is a parasitic monopoly. Their ownership of all the broadband infrastructure in the US has allowed them to stifle innovation and improvement of broadband internet service. A really great example of where the "free market" fails to innovate and provide better service to the people.



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06 Nov 2010, 2:30 pm

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democrats = center right; republicans = far right...people don't realize where the lines are in the political spectrum anymore).

Yes, well put. There is no left in American politics, neither among elected politicians (with very few exceptions, like Bernie Sanders and Dennis Kucinich) nor in any of the mainstream media. Olberman was at best a liberal.

In Europe, both Obama and Hillary Clinton would have been considered conservative candidates when they ran for the presidency.

I was never a big fan of Olberman (I don't have cable so I only rarely saw him) because he was a blusterer rather than someone who sought to inform, but what little liberal or slightly left-leaning commentary there is the mainstream news media is rare and precious, and should be preserved. What happened is just another example of what corporate control does to free speech.

Btw, the only television news I think is worth watching is the BBC World news.



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06 Nov 2010, 5:30 pm

marshall wrote:
number5 wrote:
Oh and I frickin hate Comcast. They're way overpriced and their service stinks.

Yup. Comsucks is a parasitic monopoly. Their ownership of all the broadband infrastructure in the US has allowed them to stifle innovation and improvement of broadband internet service. A really great example of where the "free market" fails to innovate and provide better service to the people.



The problem with "free market" ideals is that it only works on a smaller scale and once things go on a larger scale like national businesses here in the country, they are no longer in any kind of fair game level with the rest of the market.


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