How much violence will the ultraright have to commit?

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Ever consider the possibility that maybe we aren't lying and that the sources you are using are lieing. I actually saw sites being scrubbed during the 2008 election to hide information about Obama.

Btw, you don't endorse someone's book if they are only a casual acquaintance. Furthermore, Barack Obama's radical ties don't end with Ayers, there is a pattern that completely debunks your assertion that people on the right are lieing on this subject.

Why the hell do I even bother?

Thanks for the info, but that's completely irrelevant as I was addressing his Greece example. Furthermore, if either of you bothered to read past the first line you'd realize that I had addressed 1960s leftwing terrorism (and condemned it).



So? All Stack did was quote one line from the Manifesto. Conservatives (and pretty much everyone) has used the phrase "useful idiots", yet that doesn't make them Lenninists.



I sorta think the "leftwing extremism is worse than rightwing extremism" claim is pretty much undermined when the people you point to are both radically right and radically left at the same time.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

So give us the amazing evidence you have of this mass conspiracy to blot out information from fact-checking websites and explain to me why so much of this far-right paranoia resembles the nonsense about Vince Foster from the Clinton era.

How many radical associations does one have to have before it stops being a coincidence?

This thread is just silly. Nothing good is going to come of this each side is just going to use misinformation to either defend there political side or attack the other. Also pedant are you American or Canadian?

About more than your average Professor who inhabits a fairly left-leaning wider academic world.

Now define "radical" and list all the INDISPUTABLE, NON-MADE UP "radical" associations Obama has.

On another note, I find it funny how you think it's such a strong analogy to compare somebody's propery-damaging behavior from forty years ago to rightwingers who deliberately kill children (McVeigh in the 1990s, David in 2008) or plan on shooting up ACTUAL HUMAN BEINGS (as in the TIDES/ACLU wannabe killer). Let's not forget all those milita trigger happy would be cop killers. I certainly don't think they were going to leave warning messages.

yea, i guess dropping bombs at a police station and killing cops is just a little petty vandalism

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never heard "leaders within the mainstream right" encouraged or defending a killer. But I'm sure you'll find some right ring nut and tell me he is my leader.

You're making a very weak argument. Apparently left wing violence is okay because they condemn it and supposedly right wingers don't? I don't know if you guys actually even get Glenn Beck up there but he talks about non-violent resistance and Martin Luther King almost every day believe it or not.

I made a satirical post(I know how we both love those) about Al Gore having to tone down his violent global warming rhetoric because it was inspiring wackos like James Lee to go out a commit violence.

You can't hold other people responsible for the crazy/evil actions of another.

My profile location isn't a joke.

1) The Democratic Party (as well as the Republican Party) pretty much destroyed a lot of New Left organizations through COINTELPRO. That's a lot more than merely "condeming" it, that's USING FORCE against them (and not all were violent, by the way).
2) Examples of "leftwing violence" from overseas is irrelevant when speaking of North American - and US in particular - political maladies.
3) "Leftwing violence" is a lot less worse when warnings are sent in advance and only property is damaged rather than children. NOTE THAT I DIDN'T SAY IT WAS OKAY, I SAID IT WAS LESS BAD.
4) Glenn Beck peddles lies, conspiracy theories, and militia right paranoia ever day. It doesn't matter if he adds some weak arse caveet like "EVEN THOUGH THEY'RE COMMING TO BURN YOU ALIVE, don't be violent in resisting them"

I'd guess you're talking about her suggesting capital punishment illegal immigrants committing crimes? Capital punishment for petty crimes is stupid, but not threatening violence.

It's lovely to see that the WP ultraconservatives are pretty much proving my point that they can't own up the the violence their rhetoric, eco-chambers, and ideology has caused and are reduced to citing old leftist organizations that are pretty much inoperational. Which brings me back to my original point, in case any ultraconservatives actually bothered to read the OP, in which I have to ask HOW MUCH VIOLENCE DOES THE ULTRA-FAR-RIGHT HAVE TO DO BEFORE YOU REALIZE IT'S A PROBLEM FOR YOUR MOVEMENT IN PARTICULAR? Given that in this very thread we see the mainstreaming of conspiratorical nonsense notions like the "Obama has secrete control over the entire media apparatus, except courageous Glenn Beck", I think it'll take some time.

are you talking about the SF police station bombing that neither Ayers nor any other Weatherman was actually charged with?


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O'Reilly, Angle, Palin, and Beck (for starters)

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"If you commit a crime while you're here, we should hang you and send your body back to where you came from, and your family should pay for it."

You talk about COINTELPRO(a leftist that actually supports it, that's a new one for me), you don't think our government does that type of stuff anymore? They didn't stop in the 70s.

I never said I supported it - it was an abhorent project - but it does discredit your analogy between the mainstream "left" and the "mainstream" right - as FDR liberals like LBJ actually used it to hurt the New Left in the heyday of reform-liberalism (1930s-1970s), while Republicans pretty much cave to extremists on the right in this heyday of New conservatism (1980s - present).