Socialism in America

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The "social democracies" of western Europe developed when those countries were socially and demographically uniform: within any one of those countries, they were virtually all from the same race and had the same religion, values, and national background. What happened to one citizen was going to happen to everyone in the 95% of the population in the same position. For the economy to work, what had to happen to that 95% of the population was that they were going to have to work and be productive. Their form of socialism boiled down to the factory owners' guaranteeing to keep them all employed in exchange for their working honestly. That could happen because the typical person, knowing that virtually everyone else was like him, could realistically conclude that "if I don't work no one else will either".

That is not true of the U.S. The U.S. is racially diverse and religiously diverse, and its population comes from a myriad of different national ethnicities from across Europe and the rest of the world. An average person can realistically think, "I can live on government patronage - er, 'the social safety net' - and let the other ethnic groups do all the work". For this reason, the support base for socialism in the U.S. cannot be expected to work productively. They will have to form a privileged - er, "needy" - portion of the population that will live off those who work honestly. Since the latter will have to be kept from rebelling, the privileged - er, "needy" - will need to be in the majority; thus the 51%/49% breakdown.

Obviously no one raised any ruckus, since Sand was under the impression that "no conservatives complained".

And in fact, the first time TARP came up for a vote in the House, it was voted down. Bush, Bernanke, Paulson, and Pelosi had to really scramble to come up with the votes to get it on the floor again and passed. A few more real conservatives in the House - Democrat or Republican - and that bit of foolish socialism would never have been implemented.

The disdain and disgust for the average worker here demonstrated is appalling and typical of the conservative attitude. There is no reason to assume an average worker will not deliver an honest days work for an decent salary or that all workers would rather goof off than do a good job.

I'd certainly agree that my plan is a far more realistic path to a socialist triumph in America than Awesomelyglorius' fantasy, but I'm not sure it's fair to call him "paranoid".

I'm not sure why you are calling my path to socialist triumph "conservative", but certainly the 49% that will be forced to work fully deserve disdain and disgust from any good socialist for being the bourgeouis oppressors that they are.

Uh, explain?

In my roadmap for socialism in America, the 51% that would support socialism would be drawn from the proletariat, and the 49% that would have to work to support them would then be drawn, by definition, from the bourgeouisie. From the socialist viewpoint, scorn, disdain, and disgust will need to be heaped on those who actually do the work in order to maintain solidarity amongst the 51% that do nothing but enforce socialism.

As if that would happen, there would more likely be a second civil war. Which I imagine is what the Democrats/Socialists want because they have to have an "emergency" to suspend the Constitution.

In a Socialist America, mediocrity will become the new excellence.

There will be little incentive to do outstanding work.

Invention will not be materially rewarded.

America as it is has problems, wait until Socialism comes. Then we will have Real Problems.

ruveyn

In a socialist America people exist to serve the state (the elites in Government).

Human Beings are very poor hive animals. We are not evolved to serve the collective as are bees, wasps and ants. Humans tend to be egotistical and will put their own personal or family interests before the interests of the greater society. That is why a Socialist America will be an economic failure. People will produce shoddy goods and render shoddy service in a shoddy system.

ruveyn

At one point I thought you were an intelligent person on the conservative side of the political isle from whom I might actually learn something. Now I see that you are swimming in the same bigoted crock of sh*t as the rest of 'em and I can no longer trust anything you say. Thanks for clearing things up.

At the moment the wealthy elite and their corporate powers are milking all the finance out of education, health, and other basic population maintenance producing an uneducated populace with nowhere to go. The USA is sliding downhill very fast for ts neglect of basic fundamentals and even those with college degrees are finding work difficult or impossible to locate. The static wages for the past decades has killed off the market to a huge degree and that is where unregulated capitalism has landed the country. The corporations have gotten rich and are moving out to places where they don't have to support a middle class with a decent life style.

Actually, if you bothered to think about it he makes sense Marshall. We are totally different from Europe. Our cultural identity stems from the American Revolution and the United States Constitution. Without it, we would have no cultural identity.

Fact is though, Socialism flies in the face of everything this country stands for, it promotes dependence on Government and surrendering freedoms. Reason George Washington refused to be made king is because he understood power corrupts.

Yea. A large percentage of people attaining advanced degrees at the top US universities are foreign students. Pretty soon we'll have to start begging the more educated foreigners who use our universities not to leave the country.

I'm not defending socialism. I'm attacking the ridiculous racial-based argument.