Whats with all the hate on liberalism or socialism/

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I don't want to ban any holidays I am just don't religious people starting holy wars or infringing on the rights of other because of their religious beliefs I believe that if they stay out my life I don't care what they believe.On Stalin,Mao and their ilk they may have been atheists but they had a whole other set of issues nor do I agree with most if not all of their beliefs. hell they are only a recent phenomenon if they came earlier they would have done it for a god or another reason.I know most Americans work to live but those who have the most political clout don't or forgot or never knew what its was like.I would love to have civil discourse again because that way we can come to compromises that no one is one hundred percent happy with but fulfills the necessary function and could even be improved upon when the need arises. I don't know about everyone else but I never wanna live in mansion or all that crap I just wanna live a comfortable life where I can work hard,keep my nose clean and don't have worry about all this stuff people have to worry about nowadays.In the nineties when I was a little kid that was possible but I saw that all get worse post 2000 has Washington sells us out to corporations and other wealthy and start two wars without a tax raise one of which should of never happened and then those responsible have the nerve to complain about they had a large part in creating.Bill gave us a a surplus then bush gave us a deficit and he had a republican congress till 06 so you can't credit the surplus to the republican congress of Newt and blame the deficit on the dems because that would just be false and I always irritates me that no one on the right is willing to call them out on that.Also what do you guys think of the tea party or Sarah Palin personally I find both extremely distasteful. Trust me if the dems mess up I will call them out on it.

Personally, I'd like to see more holidays. Legitimate ones, too...not just ones where only banks are closed and the rest of everyone works.

Iowa didn't vote to allow it, Iowa Judges just got thrown out of office for legalizing same sex marriage from the bench. I expect that to end up getting thrown out.

Further, I heard about all the sponsors for the ban on same sex marriage were tracked down and harassed by various groups. Like intimidation is really a sign of tolerance.

I know there are a few Conservative actors whom didn't let their political feelings be known until after they became big stars.

I also know they tried to smear the actor whom played Tony Stark in the Iron Man movies because he happens to be a conservative and didn't let it be known until after the first movie.

Additionally, your definition of conservative and that of most of America (which you would consider fly over country) is totally different.

@MagnusArmstrong

I would recommend you find a different news source, because the tea party despite what the mainstream media reports is actually made up of average Americans.

Also, you should see the attempts to obliterate Christmas.

Also did you know after 9/11 there was a Library in Colorado that refused to put up the American flag because it might be seen as contraversial. But this same library had no problem putting up brightly colored penises. I first heard about this in a book by Sean Hannity (and he included where he found this out in a bibliography).

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,38368,00.html

(I might not be able to find the original article anymore because Rocky Mountain News went out of business in 2009 leaving no competition for Denver Post).

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I would say rhode island is actually a pretty good indicator because though we are usually a blue state our democrats are very different from the Washington Variety hell the dem lost the governors race to an independent who I voted for mind you because he had the best principals and ideas for fixing this state.We are interesting example since were so small and don't have a lot of pull in congress since we lost Patrick Kennedy which is gonna hurt us in the short run now that republicans control congress.We also show where a corrupt Washington and if both side stay the way they are were the country will end up we may be a northeast state but were nothing like new york or mass as super liberal bastions.The lesson is were unsustainable practices of both sides leads and were catering to special interest groups on both sides of the spectrum lead us to and the picture isn't pretty.

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Why all the absurd non sequitors Inu? Anyone who disagrees with you even the slightest bit must be a far-left commie socialist Chavez supporter?

Seriously, man. More and more you're just coming off as completely disconnected from reality.

No, I'm merely pointing out there is a huge difference in what is considered center if you look at California compared to most of the country.

@MagnusArmstrong

I said I would probably consider you a liberal, I did not say I would consider you a Nancy Pelosi nutcase style liberal. You seem to be more of a Juan Williams type.

That's because most blacks, hispanics, and poorer whites are very culturally conservative.

Why should people be tolerant of intolerant people?

They didn't go after after everyone that supported prop 8. They were too afraid to go after blacks and hispanics so they went after like Mormons instead.

The Mormons were the ones who pumped millions into the campaign for prop 8. It was an invasion of foreign money into the state to affect change in a state matter. That's why it was attacked.

I would never attack Christmas because it serves a useful purpose and it lets me spend time with my loved ones and no one can hate that.Though I do agree with you about that library that was kind of dickish and I would never support something like that.I can see though why people would be pissed about the Mormons sending money to fund anti-prop 8 ads and support because its not their state nor their business to interfere with the lives of others. I was also never cared for political correctness because we shouldn't ignore the mistakes of the past because if we do how are ever to supposed to learn and grown beyond the petty ideas that caused them.I get both national and local news and the tea party didn't seem to really represent most Americans because I know and am friends with people all over the political spectrum and very few could identify with the tea party that and they let to many bad apples rule the roost that might have soured many people view of the movement.I also felt they care about issues that didn't really impact them like estate taxes which most Americans are never gonna have to deal with.I agree we need to cut spending but we should only cut it and certain areas and reform others so they more substitutable like medicare and social security because with the grown elderly population to the point that in the not to distant future a large chunk of Americans are going be 65 or older leaving a smaller chunk to work and be taxed to take care of this larger group who is no longer in the work force.You don't have to be left or right to see that isn't sustainable.On last note I really hate Rush Limbaugh not just because of his view buts because he made fun of Micheal J Fox and his Parkinson and I thinking that not making of fun of illnesses like that is an unspoken rule.Also who is an obese Oxycontin addict to criticize anyone else.On Sarah Palin I just feel she isn't qualified to be president and would fear this country if she was.The thing that really soured the tea party for me was compare Obama to Hitler and how they treated that older man suffering from Parkinsons who supported health care reform saying that he didn't deserve a handout or to get a job but did they consider the fact he could do his job anymore because he certainly didn't look like a white collar worker and given his age its very hard to due blue collar or other forms of physical labor when you got uncontrollable tremors,that and that rand paul rally.That to me was the end of civil discourse in this country.

They are not "broke" because of poor people. They are "broke" because of the rich.

Economist Michael Hudson likes to mention the fact that if someone were to go back to the 1940s and tell the people of our great technical advances here, the great new efficiencies, how so much is automated, and so forth, they would conclude that we are rich and live lives of leisure. They wouldn't believe that people work multiple jobs for very low wages. The futurists at the time even thought that the rich would be so rich that they'd see no point in taking more - that there would be a point of saturation. I know that sounds naive now especially that they take more and more and more and more - ensuring that people don't live lives of leisure unless of course forced do as part of the Reserve Army of Labour designed to keep wages down, and all by the design of the powerful and wealthy. Never forget that for a moment.

This is why I say if states are bankrupt, it's because of the rich. They are the ones with the power to make the policy, their policy is a Reserve Army of Labour to keep wages down and they oppose all measures to bring the benefits of automation to ordinary people, they'd rather take the huge surplus for themselves to buy themselves the power to gain even more power and be the effective rulers and bypass the constitutional government and in doing this commit Treason.

Finally, the so-called Realistic Right has this odd idea that the surplus of society is so scarce that you'd think it was the Middle Ages. Some sick person can't work - make him starve. It's him or us, they say. Yes, we are on the brink of famine, aren't we. No progress at all has been made the in the past 1,000 years.

Funny, cause I have found that people that claim they are tolerant of others blah blah blah tend to be the most intolerant people.

Least when a religious person says they think a certain activity is wrong they are being honest.

Also I'm so sure NPR was being tolerant when they fired Juan Williams using remarks that were taken out of context as the reasoning.

Why should you demand that I be tolerant of anti-gay bigotry?


The problem is these religious people aren't content to just believe that the said activity is wrong. They are forcing their values onto the state through legislation. You want me to be tolerant of that? Well tough s**t. HELL NO I won't be tolerant! I'm not going to just sit idly by when religious people are actively imposing their agenda of legal discrimination against homosexuals. And I'm not even gay. Just imagine how gays feel.

I would to see what happened during FDR's presidency with the president of Montgomery Ward especially regarding the ceo's of the banks and wall street and there outrageous salaries if the economy is not doing well and you and your ilk are responsible well then you don't deserve a raise especially after they took taxpayer money and are still pulling crap.The thing is they don't wont the economy to get better they are making to much money of it and aren't experience the downturn like your average citizen since they never have to fear for their job or if they will be able to feed their families.Both sides seem aloof of this fact one so more than the other but as I side both sides have problems that need to be resolved along with reforms so we can actually give the government back to the people because at this point time they represent the wealthy and those living under the illusion that they will be wealthy who's policy a actually detrimental to the average person. I can say this with experience that when the democrats say the middle class is shrinking they are telling the truth because back in the 90's and before the middle class covered a much wider gambit where today its consist mostly of college educated while collar families sometimes taking in a dual income.No one can have a problem with more success and a large section of the population less reticent about spending money and stimulating the economy and getting people back, to work and over entitlements but we can't do that cooperation on both sides to regulate the financial sector to stop the enormous raises and the harmful practices that lead to the recession.I know hoping for bipartisanship is a fool's dream but I am not willing to give up hope because we both need this problem fixed so we can continue the reforms necessary to see America takes it spot back as a center stage world power in the ever changing 21st century.If Republicans real care about America and Americans they have to compromise and come up with better ideas which will help both sides and not cost the nation the large amounts of money the right complains about.We will never get their if we don't try we need to lead the way and change with the times even if its not popular but in this day and age its grow up,adapt or die off and become a shell of your former self and a lesson to nations who come after of the path not to follow.Both sides need to change but the one who needs to change more is the GOP because of the policy of neglect to the growing poor we need to be more egalitarian because we shouldn't preach American Virtues if they don't even work here.Ignoring these groups never works just look at the history of russia when people open their eyes to the abuse and realize they've been played well things tend to get bloody and if we can adapt and set and example the rest of the world on how to proceed well and still have a strong economy well I think that's something both sides can agree on.