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16 Nov 2010, 11:48 pm

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Because what they're trying to say is "don't listen to this guy, he isn't a real Christian"

Nice cop-out, but Beck shouldn't market himself as a true Christian heartland guy if he doesn't want to get into debates about how "Christian" his "Christianity" is. He especially should not question other peoples' faiths as "perversions" if he wants to be free from hearing THE FACT that Mormonism is a rather novel type sect of Christianity.

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16 Nov 2010, 11:59 pm

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Leftist attacks on Beck's Mormonism are probably the most pathetic of all the attacks. It just reeks of desperation in the same vein as Jack Conway's Aqua Buddha.

And the Left wonders why they lost the election. I'd suggest people be on the look out for rampant voter fraud in 2012, because the left usually thinks the ends justifies the means.

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17 Nov 2010, 12:01 am

Inuyasha wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

Leftist attacks on Beck's Mormonism are probably the most pathetic of all the attacks. It just reeks of desperation in the same vein as Jack Conway's Aqua Buddha.

And the Left wonders why they lost the election. I'd suggest people be on the look out for rampant voter fraud in 2012, because the left usually thinks the ends justifies the means.

Nice to see a little rightwing echo-chamber form here.

I suggest people look for voter surpression next election, as the ultraright views working poor minorities as unfit to vote.

It's also funny that Inuyasha and Jacoby are whining about "the left" attacking Glenn Beck's Mormonism, as it's evagnelical anti-Mormons they have to worry about:

http://www.earnedmedia.org/ci0828.htm

Trust me, if the (as small as they are) organized centre-left in America actually went after Glenn Beck's Mormonism, mailing flyers to hundreds of Southern Evangelicals, you'd see a gigantic fault line in the GOP. And stop projecting, we know the Right (which continues to deny it) used that strategy (except replace "race" for "Mormons") when it came to splitting up the New Deal Coalition.

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17 Nov 2010, 12:13 am

You edited that in before my post came through so I didn't get a chance to respond in that post. But can you link me to where Beck attacks protestants?

I was more speaking in general about attacks on Beck's Mormonism that have been happening for quite a while now than MP's specifically. Romney, who I'm certainly not a fan of, has also gotten attacked in the past on his Mormonism(by Mike Huckabee in the primaries iirc) Attacking somebody's religion is just dirty in my opinion.

BTW, I've said this on numerous occasions that while I think Beck has his moments whenever he starts talking about religion I get uncomfortable.

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17 Nov 2010, 12:15 am

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Beck is attacking Obama's liberal Christian faith as a "perversion" (while distorting it significantly in the process). Obama, a former member of the United Church of Christ, in all his statments seems no more radical than someone at the liberal end of mainline Protestant theology, which is why I find Beck's attack on the "perversion" of Obama's faith ironic as hell.

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17 Nov 2010, 12:18 am

I'm still not sure what you are referring to. Are you talking about Beck and others for attacking Obama for going to a church with Rev. Jeremiah Wright or something?

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17 Nov 2010, 12:19 am

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I'm still not sure what you are referring to. Are you talking about Beck and others for attacking Obama for going to a church with Rev. Jeremiah Wright or something?

The video clip I linked to below the 45 sec clip shows Beck slowly leading his way to claiming that Obama is accepts tenants of "black liberation Theology" and practices a "perverted brand" of Christianity that strays from "traditional Christianity" (Beck uses that exact phrase). The clip is just under 18 minutes.

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17 Nov 2010, 12:58 am

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Jacoby wrote:

I'm still not sure what you are referring to. Are you talking about Beck and others for attacking Obama for going to a church with Rev. Jeremiah Wright or something?

Well it kinda is a perverted brand, look at Wright's more colorful sermons for instance. I wouldn't sit in a church for 20 years listening to that wacko.

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17 Nov 2010, 6:06 am

Inuyasha wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

I'm still not sure what you are referring to. Are you talking about Beck and others for attacking Obama for going to a church with Rev. Jeremiah Wright or something?

Well it kinda is a perverted brand, look at Wright's more colorful sermons for instance. I wouldn't sit in a church for 20 years listening to that wacko.

Rev. Wright's sermons for the most part didn't center on race and anger. Most of the stuff he preached was the "love your neighbor" social justice Glenn Beck despises.

And if the truth be known, I've heard far more anti-Mormon hate coming from Evangelicals, than the secular left.

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17 Nov 2010, 12:23 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

I'm still not sure what you are referring to. Are you talking about Beck and others for attacking Obama for going to a church with Rev. Jeremiah Wright or something?

Well it kinda is a perverted brand, look at Wright's more colorful sermons for instance. I wouldn't sit in a church for 20 years listening to that wacko.

"G*d d*** America..." is preaching love for one's neighbor?!?!?

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17 Nov 2010, 1:17 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

I'm still not sure what you are referring to. Are you talking about Beck and others for attacking Obama for going to a church with Rev. Jeremiah Wright or something?

Well it kinda is a perverted brand, look at Wright's more colorful sermons for instance. I wouldn't sit in a church for 20 years listening to that wacko.

"G*d d*** America..." is preaching love for one's neighbor?!?!?

As I've already written, not everything he said has to do with hate, just one or two examples.
Me personally, I'm a Lutheran. People constantly bring up Luther's Anti-Semitic ravings that he wrote in later life, when he was old and sick, and almost certainly no longer in a right frame of mind. Those same people ignore everything substantial he wrote and said during the course of his lifetime. I think the same could be said of Jeremiah Wright.

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17 Nov 2010, 1:23 pm

Kraichgauer wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Kraichgauer wrote:

Inuyasha wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

Jacoby wrote:

I'm still not sure what you are referring to. Are you talking about Beck and others for attacking Obama for going to a church with Rev. Jeremiah Wright or something?

Well it kinda is a perverted brand, look at Wright's more colorful sermons for instance. I wouldn't sit in a church for 20 years listening to that wacko.

"G*d d*** America..." is preaching love for one's neighbor?!?!?

Then why did Oprah join his church in the early 1980s only to leave it a few years later. Seriously, if Oprah had been running instead of Obama, Wright would be a nonissue because she quit his church after a few years presumably turned off by his hate.

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17 Nov 2010, 1:32 pm

The hypocrisy of the rabid right is quite hilarious. I mean, the whole notion is that something along these lines:

Rabid Rightist thought process wrote:

Obama went to Wright's Church.
Wright was influenced by Black Liberation Theology and said some crazy statements in a few out of hundreds of sermons.
Therefore, Obama is a Black Liberationist and shares Wright's crazy views.

It's funny, because Becks beloved Church has harboured really backwards and disgusting positions on race until about last decade. They had horrible theologies concerning Blacks bearing the "mark of Cain" and what not. The only reason they revised this policy is they found it wasn't good for the market for Sub-Sarahan African converts (as Christianity is spreading there).

So Glenn Beck's Church has been officially racist until 1999 and harboured nasty theologies concerning Africans. Can one say "you should't play guilt by association if you don't want your own associations examined"?

After all, one could make an argument similar to the rabid rightists concerning Beck thusly:

Sane Inverser wrote:

Beck choose to become a Mormon.
Mainstream Mormon theology and the Church's organization was explicitly racist until 1999.
Racists founded and were key thinkers/players in the Church up until the last ten years.
Hence, they influenced the Church.
Thus, Beck choose to affiliate himself with a Church whose teachings have been influenced by recent explicit racists.
Therefore, under the Wright-Obama logic, Beck shares some of the racists views.

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17 Nov 2010, 1:40 pm

@ Master_Pedant

So we should persecute every Mormon because some nuts somewhere believe garbage. A person's pastor that supposedly influenced you a lot is totally different from happening to be part of a religion where there are some nuts that happen to be racist.

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17 Nov 2010, 1:49 pm

Beck didn't join the church until 1999 since they helped him overcome his drug and alcohol addiction.

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17 Nov 2010, 1:57 pm

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I will point out that the "tonning down" of the racism did start before 1999, that's my error (Beck joined the religion in 1999). But the Chruch still had some more recent lingering racist theologies.

The Priesthood of the Church was White-Only until 1978.

Up until recently,for instance, the LSD Church believed that Black skin colour was "the mark of Cain". Not fringe lunatics, it was official theology.

So if you want to tar a man on the basis of his religious associations, be careful as it can be shot right back at you.

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