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23 Nov 2010, 11:54 am

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if time is endless



We don't know that yet.


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23 Nov 2010, 2:26 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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if time is endless is then not everything inevitable?


The impossible cannot happen no matter how long one waits.

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However, if anything is possible, no matter how improbable it is, it will happen given enough time.


Not necessarily. The Cosmos has a limited shelf life.

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Yah, the present form might be limited, but there could very well be an underlying, cyclical pattern.



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23 Nov 2010, 2:37 pm

Fuzzy wrote:
JNathanK wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
thedaywalker wrote:
if time is endless is then not everything inevitable?


The impossible cannot happen no matter how long one waits.

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However, if anything is possible, no matter how improbable it is, it will happen given enough time.


No.


This is basic statistical logic and probably explains the complex island of life we find ourselves on in the otherwise, mostly empty void. Given enough time, and enough space with enough matter interacting with itself, something as improbable as life can happen. Statistically, asteroids colliding are a much more common phenomenon than the emergence of life, so it happens more frequently, but life still happens, though very rare. If something can theoretically happen but doesn't have any supporting conditions in the real world, then its technically impossible, not improbable.



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24 Nov 2010, 2:13 am

JNathanK wrote:
Fuzzy wrote:
JNathanK wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
thedaywalker wrote:
if time is endless is then not everything inevitable?


The impossible cannot happen no matter how long one waits.

ruveyn


However, if anything is possible, no matter how improbable it is, it will happen given enough time.


No.


This is basic statistical logic and probably explains the complex island of life we find ourselves on in the otherwise, mostly empty void. Given enough time, and enough space with enough matter interacting with itself, something as improbable as life can happen. Statistically, asteroids colliding are a much more common phenomenon than the emergence of life, so it happens more frequently, but life still happens, though very rare. If something can theoretically happen but doesn't have any supporting conditions in the real world, then its technically impossible, not improbable.


Your basic statistical logic is wrong then. If such a thing were true there would be a number of short cuts to predicting things such as the value of PI. One could take actions to eliminate alternatives to certain possibilities, thus ensuring they happened.

Flip a coin until you get heads 10 times in a row. Whats the odds that the next will be tails? Fifty percent. There is nothing to suggest you will ever flip tails again or that you must flip 10 tails to balance. Fortune favors the bold? Not so much.


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24 Nov 2010, 3:33 am

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It is impossible to construct a triangle with four vertices.


A triangle is only a triangle because of its definition. Anything that does not fit the definition of a triangle within the set context is not a triangle.



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24 Nov 2010, 4:35 pm

BassMan_720 wrote:
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It is impossible to construct a triangle with four vertices.


A triangle is only a triangle because of its definition. Anything that does not fit the definition of a triangle within the set context is not a triangle.


Exactly! Like I said, it is impossible to construct a triangle with four vertices.

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