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28 Nov 2010, 12:22 pm

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Didn't entertainers in Shakespeare's time use real heads, real blood in pig bladders, etc. (Not sure about the real blood, but I do know they used a few real heads). So morality has gone downhill in some ways and uphill in others.

Props are not really the issue, but I do not know any details about the "Why?" of things done in the days you have mentioned.


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28 Nov 2010, 12:42 pm

leejosepho wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
Didn't entertainers in Shakespeare's time use real heads, real blood in pig bladders, etc. (Not sure about the real blood, but I do know they used a few real heads). So morality has gone downhill in some ways and uphill in others.

Props are not really the issue, but I do not know any details about the "Why?" of things done in the days you have mentioned.


They also used to consider executions to be a form of entertainment.



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28 Nov 2010, 12:53 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Inuyasha wrote:
Didn't entertainers in Shakespeare's time use real heads, real blood in pig bladders, etc. (Not sure about the real blood, but I do know they used a few real heads). So morality has gone downhill in some ways and uphill in others.

Props are not really the issue, but I do not know any details about the "Why?" of things done in the days you have mentioned.


They also used to consider executions to be a form of entertainment.


There are also the once popular Freak Shows of yesteryear. "Come see the grotesque fat man and the funny little m***et."

So, I'd agree. Uphill in some ways and downhill in others.



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28 Nov 2010, 1:01 pm

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They also used to consider executions to be a form of entertainment.

Some people today view character assassination or "flaming" as entertainment, and that kind of "art" is not allowed here. So then, maybe we can at least say *legitimate* art has at least some kind of social value ... and that fact would make it unethical to claim anything less as actual art?


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28 Nov 2010, 1:01 pm

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There are definitely some great tensions there, and I do not believe society should use government to attempt to regulate or control art (entertainment). However, the presence of diversity is not dependent upon the presence of immorality in "art".

Actually, I disagree, there is an entire branch of literature based upon immorality in art, even in writings that have reached the public awareness, such as American Psycho, or even some of the writings of Marquis de Sade. The fact that these writings are immoral, makes them distinct and different, and it allows for them to approach things from an angle otherwise non-existent. They add to diversity.

And the fact of the matter is that even smaller degrees of immorality, as well as amorality are also useful in our artistic expressions today. These traits can add "grit" to a world, by making it greyer. Anti-heroes, for instance, require some degree of immorality or amorality to play with to make the character interesting, and anti-villains just take that a bit further. These kinds of efforts, however, undermine moral messages to a very big extent.

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Mere expression and some of the rubbish some people call "art" are entirely different matters, and there is where the question of ethics enters the picture: Rubbish is being misrepresented.

I don't believe any of us are qualified to determine "rubbish". I am not even sure there is a tangible line either.



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28 Nov 2010, 1:01 pm

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what are the ethical issues in the entertainment industry?
I am trying to critically review the concepts of ethics, morality, accountability and social responsibility as they apply to entertainment industry?

Oscar Wilde wrote, in
The Picture of Dorian Gray:

"No artist has ethical sympathies. An ethical sympathy in an artist is an unpardonable mannerism of style."


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28 Nov 2010, 1:07 pm

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... there is an entire branch of literature based upon immorality ... distinct and different, and it allows for them to approach things from an angle otherwise non-existent.

From what angle that is otherwise non-existent?


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28 Nov 2010, 1:09 pm

leejosepho wrote:
Inuyasha wrote:
They also used to consider executions to be a form of entertainment.

Some people today view character assassination or "flaming" as entertainment, and that kind of "art" is not allowed here. So then, maybe we can at least say *legitimate* art has at least some kind of social value ... and that fact would make it unethical to claim anything less as actual art?

I am really sort of confused:
1) Can attacks on a person's character have artistic merit? Yes.
2) Are artists always going to be forced to uphold the law? Well... yes.

However, the issue is that art is not determined by "social value". Authors are also not beholden to try to attain "social value". If they held themselves to such standards, then some writings would not exist, and our world would be dimmed by that prospect. There is a book called "The Ego and Its Own", which states: "even if I foresaw that these thoughts would deprive you of your rest and peace, even if I saw the bloodiest wars and fall of many generations springing up from this seed of thought, I would never the less scatter it." The issue is that this expression, denying social value, is actually an expression of the value of that text. The text has social value in its strong denial of social value, because the ideas and perspective are valuable. (The book was an early existentialist philosophical text)



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28 Nov 2010, 1:12 pm

So in your view attacks on people's children is considered art?

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-shepp ... behar-show



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28 Nov 2010, 1:24 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
The issue is that this expression, denying social value, is actually an expression of the value of that text. The text has social value in its strong denial of social value, because the ideas and perspective are valuable. (The book was an early existentialist philosophical text)

I understand that kind of thing, and I believe that is both necessary and proper within its own context.

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I am trying to critically review the concepts of ethics, morality, accountability and social responsibility as they apply to entertainment industry.

I tend to like TV shows such as "Criminal Minds", yet some of the "art" displayed there (either visually or verbally) is really nothing greater than pandering ... and I find that whoredom to be unethical.


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28 Nov 2010, 5:04 pm

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From what angle that is otherwise non-existent?

The transgressive angle. It wouldn't be represented unless it were represented. :P



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28 Nov 2010, 5:06 pm

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I understand that kind of thing, and I believe that is both necessary and proper within its own context.

Then I think you'll have to make your view clearer. I don't really know what the lines of (dis)agreement are.



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28 Nov 2010, 5:08 pm

Inuyasha wrote:

They also used to consider executions to be a form of entertainment.


It was supposed to be more like Shock and Awe

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28 Nov 2010, 6:40 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
leejosepho wrote:
I understand that kind of thing, and I believe that is both necessary and proper within its own context.

Then I think you'll have to make your view clearer. I don't really know what the lines of (dis)agreement are.

Again: I tend to like TV shows such as "Criminal Minds", yet some of the "art" displayed there (either visually or verbally) is really nothing greater than pandering ... and I find that whoredom to be unethical.


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28 Nov 2010, 6:41 pm

Art is frequently most cogent and biting when it tests and breaks social norms. Lenny Bruce, for one. Very good drama is highly invested in shock because it awakens doubts in the validity of commonly accepted values. It is vital in art.



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28 Nov 2010, 6:46 pm

leejosepho wrote:
one's personal vulgarity and immorality


One's personal vulgarity is another's deeply meaningful and personal art statement.


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