Any Christian Aspies here?
It appears you have a very strange idea of what Catholocism entails. Catholics only worship God, the trinity. We don't worship Mary or the saints or the Pope. We honor Mary because in the Bible, Jesus made her our spiritual mother. Jesus also honored Mary and we are to imitate Jesus. The Apostles honored Mary, the early christians honored Mary and since Catholocism is the original Christiantiy, we do the same.
I'm sorry, but I'll take my interpretation of the Bible from the Apostles and early church fathers, not a group that didn't come about for nearly 1600 years later.
Now I go back even further, before Constantine the sunworshipper united all the religions of Rome, including the pagan ones, hense the word Catholic also meaning unity. If you read Haggai chapter 2, you will get an idea of what God thinks about religions that join clean worship of God, with unclean Pagan practices, the unclean practices dont get "sanctified" as Catholics teach, but the clean part itself becomes dirty and therefore unacceptable to God.
Jesus himself said, " narrow and crampted is the road leading to life, and few are the ones finding it, now, unless Jesus himself was wrong, which I doubt, I would be somewhat suspitious of the biggest religion in the world.
Lets look at a couple of your points."Catholics only worship God, the trinity."
Well, this is the worst one, and that also aplies to most of the Catholic churches daughter, protastantism.
So at this point let me ask you dont take this as a personal attck on your religion, I attack all religions and wish every good Christian, Jew and Muslim, would stop following thier religion and follow Jesus instead, maybe yoiu know the scripture that says, the sheep know the sound of the good shepards voice, and will follow him wherever he goes.
Ask yourself truly, are you following the Christ, or being loyal to the religion of your fathers?
Are you worshipping the God of Abraham?, or the sun god of the first Pope Constantine?
In the whole Bible, Jesus allways claims to be the son of God, never God himself, if you read Daniel chapter 7, you will read an account where even after Jesus ressurection back to heaven, he is brought close to Gods throne where Kingdom and authority is then given him.
Abraham offering up his son Issac was prefiguering God offering up his firstborn son, not himself.
Now the Trinity comes from the Sun god Tammuz who constantine worshipped, the one who can be identified by his birthday being on december 25th.
As a man, Tammuz was Nimrod, he killed his father and married his own mother becoming his own father, just like the Trinitarians say about thier god.
His Mother Semi-remis, was deified as the fertility goddess Asterte, or Easter, thats where all the fertility Easter eggs and bunnnies come from.
She was worshipped as being , "The Mother of God", "The Queen of Heaven", as a Catholic, do you ever recall hearing these phrases being applied to Mary?
By claiming Jesus is God, leaves the Pope free to claim hes the Vicar of Christ that sits at Gods right hand.
Thing is, just as King David prefiguered, it is Jesus who sits at Gods right hand untill his eniemies are placed as a footstool for his feet, the Pope in effect is claiming the position of the Messiah, the King and High Priest in the manner of Melchiezedec, blasphemy.
"Flee from Idoloatry little children".
Heres a picture of a Catholic idol, a statue of Mary, the Queen of Heaven, holding her son, who looks remarkably like the sun to me.
Dont be one of those to whom Jesus says, "get away from me you workers of lawlessness, I never knew you", (because you accidentally worshipped the wrong god.
Nambo
You do know that the trinity is a mainstream protestant belief right?
Also, If you can get through the Nicene Creed with no issues, anyone who can get through that is my brother/sister in Christ.
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Life is real ! Life is earnest!
And the grave is not its goal ;
Dust thou art, to dust returnest,
Was not spoken of the soul.
The last person I prayed for (six weeks ago) had been told to go to hospice and wait for the end. Three churches had prayed for her, not stopping her decline. I prayed for her with no effect. I asked her if she had heard voices. She said yes, these "beings" had come to her at 3 in the morning, waking her up. They touched her and she couldn't stop them. One of them touched her and she developed cancer at that spot.
Sorcerers! I cast the demons out of them, their properties and their organizations. Then I gave them a divine blessing. I cut Winneshet free from any soul ties. I cast any demons out of her. Then I prayed for her for ten minutes. Cancer was gone, but there was still some lung damage. The Lord told me to leave the rest for her church. She ended up completely healed.
You do know that the trinity is a mainstream protestant belief right?
Also, If you can get through the Nicene Creed with no issues, anyone who can get through that is my brother/sister in Christ.
Yes I do know, thats why, much as Id love too, I dont attend any of thier church's, I was even brought up for a while in Church of England Childrens homes, so have an emotional attachment as well.
Just ask the Jews about wiether or not God is a Trinity, they should know as they wherre the only people to be in such a very close relationship with him.
A while back, 91, I was cooped in an environment with a very pleasant friendly young part Indian Mauritian and a really obnoxious misanthropic and racist Frenchman. The Mauritian considered himself French and thought the Frenchman as a compatriot. The Frenchman saw the mongrel Mauritian as an excrescence best removed from the planet.
There are situations where brotherhood is unilateral. Ask my brother about me.
You do know that the trinity is a mainstream protestant belief right?
Also, If you can get through the Nicene Creed with no issues, anyone who can get through that is my brother/sister in Christ.
Yes I do know, thats why, much as Id love too, I dont attend any of thier church's, I was even brought up for a while in Church of England Childrens homes, so have an emotional attachment as well.
Just ask the Jews about wiether or not God is a Trinity, they should know as they wherre the only people to be in such a very close relationship with him.
Jews don't recognize Jesus as God so of course they wouldn't believe in the Trinity.
There are situations where brotherhood is unilateral. Ask my brother about me.
I can sympathize with this statement.
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Life is real ! Life is earnest!
And the grave is not its goal ;
Dust thou art, to dust returnest,
Was not spoken of the soul.
chrissyrun: I appreciate your thoughts and comments, but I'm well acquainted with the Mormons and have been educated on their doctrine for about ten years. Nothing against you personally, and in fact I've had some good friends who are Mormons, but I disagree with any statement that we believe in the same being we each call Christ. I actually had a Mormon missionary come to my door about a year ago. We had a lengthy debate in my doorway and I finally got him to admit that his god was not the same as my God. The thing to note is the terminology is quite similar between the two, but what a term means to a Christian has an entirely different meaning to a Mormon. There are some very striking differences though, once you start digging deeper. Like, we do not recognize Joseph Smith as a prophet. Jesus Christ is eternal, both past and future - not created, but who actually created time itself with a specific starting and ending point, and who actually transcends that time-line. This would not describe the Mormon god. God did not come from a distant planet called Kolob. Human beings do not have the opportunity to become gods of their own planets. Etc. Its not the same. You can have your beliefs and call yourselves Mormons I'm fine with that, but please do not call yourselves Christians, it only confuses people. You should really dive into the Journal of Discourses (Mormon writings) sometime. The stuff in there will shock the pants off you!
Also, for any Catholics out there: I'm sure you're nice people but... thanks, but no thanks. I worship God alone, not his earthly mother, nor idols, nor tradition, nor other dead Christians, nor a man in the Vatican who likes to dress silly and make himself look like he's better than everybody else. I do not believe in human authority over other human beings; only God is my authority, I recognize no other. I believe salvation is a free gift of God by grace through faith and not by works, lest anyone should boast - its right there in the book check it out. Also there is no mediator between God and man, but Jesus Christ - that's in the book too, so no, priests have no authority to forgive anything. Might want to consider that at the confession booth... On the plus side, God does not demand a percentage of your money to go to some institution. You don't owe the "church" anything. All God wants is your voluntary love, and to accept his in return. That's it. Consider the fact that its the one and only thing God does not already possess. He already owns the world and everything in it. But your voluntary love is the one thing he does not possess until you give it to him.
Kilroy: I'm very curious. Why do you base your own belief system on the fact that others are "insane"? Many many many out there are insane but my acceptance of the Lord's payment for my sins (which is what its really all about) has nothing to do with their insanity. Why would I refuse a gift from my creator just because other human beings are being stupid? That's kinda silly.
Oh dear, I don't mean to debate, really.. I'm just hoping to maintain the parameters of the kind of people I'm looking to meet - Believers in Jesus Christ, the one true God of the entire universe, who made everything ex-nihilo (out of nothing), and outside of which exists nothing. My intent is to identify those who also follow this God, not to tell people they are wrong, although that tends to happen.
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Waltur the Walrus Slayer,
Militant Asantist.
"BLASPHEMER!! !! !! !!" (according to AngelRho)
I think the thing that most people have in common in this discussion is the belief and the hope that there is a benevolent force that binds us together. A great feeling, especially if you have Aspergers or any other condition that makes life more difficult.
I was raised a Christian and the teachings of Jesus conveyed to me Universal Truths that helped me to live in ways that would benefit me and the others I came in contact with.
I can remember the joy and magic when I was a child, of believing in Santa Claus, and the disapointment I felt when I found out he was not real. I looked over my bed and looked at the picture of Jesus and said to myself, thank God there is something in my life that I can believe in that will never change. If it wasn't for this belief I do not think I would of made it through the trials and tribulations of my youth.
My biggest sorrow is to see so many young people, NT and AS, that have never had this faith and hope, and will probably not experience it in their lifetime.
When I was growing up there was hardly anything in Society that would convince my analytical mind that it was not true.
Throughout my life people called me a Christian, because of my behavior; not my religion.
I hope if there is another planet like ours, somewhere in the Universe, where there are beings like us, that they get to have that feeling of hope, faith, that I had, no matter what they name God.
I believe there is a God, a force, a great designer, and we live under Universal Laws that the teachings of Jesus helped me understand. I believe we can seek these laws and live by them, experience a heaven on earth, or illusion ourselves and find ourselves in a earthbound hell beyond our wildest imaginations.
The last person I prayed for (six weeks ago) had been told to go to hospice and wait for the end. Three churches had prayed for her, not stopping her decline. I prayed for her with no effect. I asked her if she had heard voices. She said yes, these "beings" had come to her at 3 in the morning, waking her up. They touched her and she couldn't stop them. One of them touched her and she developed cancer at that spot.
Sorcerers! I cast the demons out of them, their properties and their organizations. Then I gave them a divine blessing. I cut Winneshet free from any soul ties. I cast any demons out of her. Then I prayed for her for ten minutes. Cancer was gone, but there was still some lung damage. The Lord told me to leave the rest for her church. She ended up completely healed.
uh...huh
well I'm a wiccan, if you can change my mind I might believe all that
(no disrespect I just don't believe in faith healing)
Kilroy: I'm very curious. Why do you base your own belief system on the fact that others are "insane"? Many many many out there are insane but my acceptance of the Lord's payment for my sins (which is what its really all about) has nothing to do with their insanity. Why would I refuse a gift from my creator just because other human beings are being stupid? That's kinda silly.
I don't believe the christian god is my creator, I believe as a human, I am not enlightened enough to know the truth of creation
it can't be so simple
I don't believe the christian god is my creator, I believe as a human, I am not enlightened enough to know the truth of creation
it can't be so simple
I like what your implying here Kilroy. The idea that if we are just human then why should we believe our minds can accurately solve anything. The Philosopher Alvin Plantinga, one of my favorites, has constructed an argument describing exactly what you are talking about. It is called the 'evolutionary argument against naturalism'.
For a detailed description of this watch this youtube clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=79SPvsZp1tY
I hope you find this interesting and I encourage you to read Plantinga's work.
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Life is real ! Life is earnest!
And the grave is not its goal ;
Dust thou art, to dust returnest,
Was not spoken of the soul.
You do know that the trinity is a mainstream protestant belief right?
Also, If you can get through the Nicene Creed with no issues, anyone who can get through that is my brother/sister in Christ.
Yes I do know, thats why, much as Id love too, I dont attend any of thier church's, I was even brought up for a while in Church of England Childrens homes, so have an emotional attachment as well.
Just ask the Jews about wiether or not God is a Trinity, they should know as they wherre the only people to be in such a very close relationship with him.
Jews don't recognize Jesus as God so of course they wouldn't believe in the Trinity.
They dont recognise Jesus as the messiah, but I wasnt suggesting they recognise Jesus at all.
The Jews knew God, knew that he was "one" as revealed to Moses in a world full of pagan Trinity gods, and they where expecting a messiah because it had been prophiesied to them, that Messiah wasnt in any way said to be God coming in mans form.
The Jesus bit is irrelivant to the point I was making.
You do know that the trinity is a mainstream protestant belief right?
Also, If you can get through the Nicene Creed with no issues, anyone who can get through that is my brother/sister in Christ.
Yes I do know, thats why, much as Id love too, I dont attend any of thier church's, I was even brought up for a while in Church of England Childrens homes, so have an emotional attachment as well.
Just ask the Jews about wiether or not God is a Trinity, they should know as they wherre the only people to be in such a very close relationship with him.
Jews don't recognize Jesus as God so of course they wouldn't believe in the Trinity.
They dont recognise Jesus as the messiah, but I wasnt suggesting they recognise Jesus at all.
The Jews knew God, knew that he was "one" as revealed to Moses in a world full of pagan Trinity gods, and they where expecting a messiah because it had been prophiesied to them, that Messiah wasnt in any way said to be God coming in mans form.
The Jesus bit is irrelivant to the point I was making.
The position you have taken was totally rejected in 325A.D., from that point on, the Trinity has been an integral part of Christianity. The Nicene Creed was formulated specifically to reject the non-trinitarian position.
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Life is real ! Life is earnest!
And the grave is not its goal ;
Dust thou art, to dust returnest,
Was not spoken of the soul.
