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09 Dec 2010, 8:59 pm

Oh, yeah. These days the average year has about three months information content. Goes too fast to get bored even if I did the boredom thing. IF you had immortality [and space enough or a small enough population] hoe time would fly.



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09 Dec 2010, 9:24 pm

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Oh, yeah. These days the average year has about three months information content. Goes too fast to get bored even if I did the boredom thing. IF you had immortality [and space enough or a small enough population] hoe time would fly.


I can't tell if you're being serious or sarcastic, but personally just living for a few centuries it would be cool to just learn as much as possible, perhaps write a few books, program some games or other software, maybe travel to Mars or other planets within the solar system or even travel to Alpha Centauri and back. There's a lot of cool stuff that could be done for which most people just live too short of lives to experience.



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09 Dec 2010, 9:30 pm

for most people, life on earth is just a chore, so there is no real advantage to be gained in having forever to perform said chore.



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09 Dec 2010, 9:45 pm

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for most people, life on earth is just a chore, so there is no real advantage to be gained in having forever to perform said chore.


It need not be a chore. For example, if you are working for Wal-Fart as slave labor, it would probably be better to quit. Perhaps save up as much money as possible, if possible, invest when you can in things that provide a return of interest on a regular basis. Apply at any job that looks better while you are still employed and get the heck out of there before they slander you and you go crazy.



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09 Dec 2010, 9:45 pm

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for most people, life on earth is just a chore, so there is no real advantage to be gained in having forever to perform said chore.


I wonder why they want to continue even a normal life.



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09 Dec 2010, 9:47 pm

Sand wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
for most people, life on earth is just a chore, so there is no real advantage to be gained in having forever to perform said chore.


I wonder why they want to continue even a normal life.


Because not everyone hates life and despises everything in general.



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09 Dec 2010, 9:58 pm

Social Security and other pension systems may go bankrupt. Thus an incentive for our government to try to impede this project.



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09 Dec 2010, 10:01 pm

Sand wrote:
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for most people, life on earth is just a chore, so there is no real advantage to be gained in having forever to perform said chore.


I wonder why they want to continue even a normal life.


because of the persistent-but-psychotically-optimistic horatio alger meme of ragged dick triumphing over impossible odds, climbing to the toppermost of the poppermost, so to speak. if most folk realized just how steep the odds are stacked against them, they wouldn't even bother getting up in the morning.



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09 Dec 2010, 10:19 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Sand wrote:
auntblabby wrote:
for most people, life on earth is just a chore, so there is no real advantage to be gained in having forever to perform said chore.


I wonder why they want to continue even a normal life.


because of the persistent-but-psychotically-optimistic horatio alger meme of ragged dick triumphing over impossible odds, climbing to the toppermost of the poppermost, so to speak. if most folk realized just how steep the odds are stacked against them, they wouldn't even bother getting up in the morning.


Yeah, life is so difficult and impossible. Might as well just do nothing and just let time pass by while waiting for death. Nah, there's more to live for than death.



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09 Dec 2010, 11:12 pm

I'd be pretty sure that if we did become immortal and saw ourselves 10,000 years from now (literally, any one of us) we'd barely recognize who we saw, just like 10,000 years from now that self if encountering self from 100,000 or 1,000,000 years out may have a similar conundrum.

Believe it or not though, I think the human condition is incredibly adaptable. Our feelings are mostly sourced in needs, take one or two needs away and it would be amazing to see just how much ripple effect it would have. The whole essence and feel of life itself seems to be governed by the shape of the container, actually I don't see a reason to believe that there's any way to separate the shape of the container from our instincts and the subconscious math that our minds plug to reason with it. No doubt if we made immortality possible to those who didn't end up falling off of buildings, rolled over by bulldozers, etc, our whole feel of things and behaviors would change about as much as our life spans.



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09 Dec 2010, 11:45 pm

It has been established that there are probably as many or more non-human cells within our bodies as there are human genetic cells. And we humans as probably with all animals, are a matrix of interactions between these different living entities. Some of them are not only helpful but essential to our existence. Others are merely using us for their habitat but throughout our biological history these alien cells have frequently bee incorporated into our cell community to our mutual benefit. The mitochondria are a prime example of this and they are vitally necessary for our existence. In a matter of a few centuries of continual existence these integrated communities can be re-stylized by genetic engineering for efficiency and novel energy sources to produce a much better living being. Whatever the conceits about being created by God, there are obvious mechanical twists and weaknesses as the result of our having evolved from four legged animals that could be changed and improved and the basic structure of bones themselves, if they could be made to incorporate carbon fibers for strength, would greatly improve our durability. With these re-arrangements in our bodies and hopefully much better and more efficient nervous systems we no doubt would have only vague resemblances to humans of today. I would be happy to have the time and resources to accomplish this, not to speak of unthought of other possibilities.



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10 Dec 2010, 8:02 am

auntblabby wrote:

because of the persistent-but-psychotically-optimistic horatio alger meme of ragged dick triumphing over impossible odds, climbing to the toppermost of the poppermost, so to speak. if most folk realized just how steep the odds are stacked against them, they wouldn't even bother getting up in the morning.


Yes somehow

1. Life goes on
2. Life for some of us is improving materially
3. In the industrial countries life expectancy has nearly doubled since 1900 or thereabouts.

Now someone or more accurately someoneS are making this happen. Who?

ruveyn



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10 Dec 2010, 10:13 am

ruveyn wrote:
auntblabby wrote:

because of the persistent-but-psychotically-optimistic horatio alger meme of ragged dick triumphing over impossible odds, climbing to the toppermost of the poppermost, so to speak. if most folk realized just how steep the odds are stacked against them, they wouldn't even bother getting up in the morning.


Yes somehow

1. Life goes on
2. Life for some of us is improving materially
3. In the industrial countries life expectancy has nearly doubled since 1900 or thereabouts.

Now someone or more accurately someoneS are making this happen. Who?

ruveyn


Geron was for a while, but they passed their patent on a telemerase gene activator on to some random herbalist company because they didn't see a potential for profit from it from their clientele whereas the herbalist company has a clientele which is willing to spend large amounts of money for little to no initially perceivable benefit. The telemerase gene activator that they are using, however, is derived from a plant - the astrogalus propiniquous or something like that - which would probably be more cost effective to grow and harvest than pay the cost of extortion from an herbalist company.



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10 Dec 2010, 11:19 am

Philologos wrote:
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Literal "immortality" is impossible, as everything must go with the heat death of the Universe.


Amen. Or such alternative jumping off point as science or religion may from time to time predict or time reveal.

You would think there would be by now a small herd of alternatives to the said heat death. But unless someone knows something I don't, I do not expect to be in the universe at the time.


I'm quite positive that there is a way to avoid that as well and achieve eternal immortality. Not sure at this point how to travel to a parallel universe however. I do believe we have both a body and a spirit, and that our spirits already are not subject to death. Even if we do die, imagine for a moment that we can be brought back to life to experience immortality on this Earth. After all, it's probably been done before, and we can't deny with our knowledge that there is some superior being(s) who have already achieved this immortality. And why would they not allow us the same experience?



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14 Dec 2010, 8:11 pm

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I'd get pretty bored after a few thousand years.
no you wouldn't. NASA is already on the verge of manned flights to pluto and back in less than a year and to Alpha Centauri in 60 years its called Nuclear Pulse Propulsion(Project Orion back in the '50s when the idea was rejected because the Cold War and recently revived) so the technological possibilities of the future are so endless assuming our governments(notice how i said governments not people shows who our worst enemy is) don't make earth uninhabitable with their incesstant need to wage war before we reach that point.


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14 Dec 2010, 8:19 pm

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Jacoby wrote:
I'd get pretty bored after a few thousand years.
no you wouldn't. NASA is already on the verge of manned flights to pluto and back in less than a year and to Alpha Centauri in 60 years its called Nuclear Pulse Propulsion(Project Orion back in the '50s when the idea was rejected because the Cold War and recently revived) so the technological possibilities of the future are so endless assuming our governments(notice how i said governments not people shows who our worst enemy is) don't make earth uninhabitable with their incesstant need to wage war before we reach that point.


It's like an Ian Douglas novel, regarding space: the technology and ability to do things isn't so much the problem as convincing politicians not to sabotage everything. Launching politicians into space and having an alien sentry drone wipe them out was actually the prologue in Star Strike.