The right and left should cooperate to resist islam

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10 Dec 2010, 12:50 pm

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I am ashamed of other liberals who shoot the messenger every time someone is not PC about this religion of death.

Almost every Judeo based religion is a religion of death except maybe the hippie Unitarians.

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10 Dec 2010, 12:52 pm

I'd imagine their rates will slow down, just as it has among white Europeans and Israeli Jews. Once cultures realize that we have modernized medicine, longer lifespans, the idea that it costs tons to raise children, and infant mortality has significantly dropped - people will realize you don't need to have tons of kids anymore.

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You are assuming a degree of reasonableness not in evidence. Consider what happened in public during that upset of the cartoons of Mohammed (Pus and Blisters Be Upon Him).

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10 Dec 2010, 2:05 pm

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You are assuming a degree of reasonableness not in evidence. Consider what happened in public during that upset of the cartoons of Mohammed (Pus and Blisters Be Upon Him).

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eh, i still think that the "cartoons of mohammed" incident was blown up by the imams. ffs, the internet is full of awesome stuff like this.

and not just jesusandmo.net (which is f***ing awesome).

but at least catholics aren't chopping heads off (right now).

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10 Dec 2010, 2:23 pm

waltur wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

You are assuming a degree of reasonableness not in evidence. Consider what happened in public during that upset of the cartoons of Mohammed (Pus and Blisters Be Upon Him).

ruveyn

eh, i still think that the "cartoons of mohammed" incident was blown up by the imams. ffs, the internet is full of awesome stuff like this.

and not just jesusandmo.net (which is f***ing awesome).

but at least catholics aren't chopping heads off (right now).

That's awful (and hilarious).

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10 Dec 2010, 6:06 pm

number5 wrote:

waltur wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

You are assuming a degree of reasonableness not in evidence. Consider what happened in public during that upset of the cartoons of Mohammed (Pus and Blisters Be Upon Him).

ruveyn

eh, i still think that the "cartoons of mohammed" incident was blown up by the imams. ffs, the internet is full of awesome stuff like this.

and not just jesusandmo.net (which is f***ing awesome).

but at least catholics aren't chopping heads off (right now).

That's awful (and hilarious).

it's sick, it sucks, and it's reality.

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11 Dec 2010, 2:15 am

Catholic priests should be allowed to marry. That way less of them would be perverts.

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11 Dec 2010, 2:19 am

Why do I get the feeling that antics like that were one of the reasons why Martin Luther started the Protestant movement.

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11 Dec 2010, 3:01 am

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Catholic priests should be allowed to marry. That way less of them would be perverts.

well, i agree with you that they should be allowed to marry. But the celibaty is not why so many are perverts. A lot of people live in celibaty, sometimes by choice but often not (like myself), and you don't see us running around molesting kids. I think that priest is a proffesion were one can get close to children easily and therefore is more likely to attract pedophiles.

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11 Dec 2010, 3:01 am

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I really don't get what this Poster wants "liberals" to do in "resisting" Islam. If you mean openly criticize the Qu'ran as a depraved document, then yes, I'd support that. If you mean criticizing thugish attempts to threaten cartoonists, yes - I support that. If you mean opposing attempts to censor criticism of Islam through hate speech laws, then yes I support you. If you mean limiting immigration from Muslim countries, waging liberally imperialist wars against Muslim countries, nuking Muslim countries (ruveyn's favoured response), supporting Israel's apartheid regime, or treating home-born or naturalized Muslim citizens as second-class citizens worthy of police harrassment, then NO, I OPPOSE YOU.

The Islamification of Europe dogma is bloody well absurd - even if Muslim immigrants become increasingly integrated into European society at higher levels, they'll experience the effects of relative secularization. What we need is the integration of Muslims into secular, multicultural, and realtively equalitarian societies.

No doubt there are certain segments of Islam that are extremely resistant to secularization, namely communities dominated by Salafi-leaning mosques funded by Saudi Arabians. But the idea we can deter these people by waging wars on Muslim countries and/or threatening/harassing/deporting Muslims living in the West is beyond the pale. That only validates/vindicates the Muslim extremist world view, from their perspective. Besides being immoral and hypocritical, it makes the problem worse. The better solution is to get ourselves off the Saudi oil.

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11 Dec 2010, 3:47 am

Supposedly one of the leaked cables includes some influential Saudis claiming that broadcasting American television to the Muslim world does more to deter fundamentalism than anything else. I can believe it. (I'll see if I can dig up where I read that)

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11 Dec 2010, 4:03 am

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Yes. Bad reality television leads them to the conclusion that there is no god.

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11 Dec 2010, 5:48 am

For the last 1000+ years we have been fighting to stop Islam from taking over "Christendom" and losing.

Google Charles (the hammer) Martel.

The Muslims took over much of the "Eastern Empire" in the middle ages.

Now we are saying "Come into our European Countries in your millions".

"In a few decades you will out breed us and out number us but we don't care"

We are not having enough children to replace our own numbers so we are just looking for alien races and religions to replace us in our own countries.

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11 Dec 2010, 11:19 am

marshall wrote:

One solution would be ideological, not political. If the left abandoned the idea that unconditional tolerance is possible, then we would not find ourselves trying to relate to a worldview that is intolerant to us.

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11 Dec 2010, 11:24 am

Please give me traits of Islam that would justify me to fight it, make sure not to include traits that apply to Christianity.

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What I meant is that the job of being a Catholic priest would attract less weirdos if Catholic priests did not have to be celibate, because one that is married would be less likely to be a closet pervert.

This is utter BS ^^.

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11 Dec 2010, 12:18 pm

waltur wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

You are assuming a degree of reasonableness not in evidence. Consider what happened in public during that upset of the cartoons of Mohammed (Pus and Blisters Be Upon Him).

ruveyn

eh, i still think that the "cartoons of mohammed" incident was blown up by the imams. ffs, the internet is full of awesome stuff like this.

and not just jesusandmo.net (which is f***ing awesome).

but at least catholics aren't chopping heads off (right now).

LMAAAOOOOOOO

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11 Dec 2010, 12:42 pm

petitesouris wrote:

Catholic priests should be allowed to marry. That way less of them would be perverts.

No they wouldn't. Have you ever paid attention to how many Bapti-costals and charismatics get run out of churches for messing with a deacon/elder's wife? You know, like Jimmy Swaggart trying to "witness" to a prostitute?

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