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19 Dec 2010, 2:12 pm

We are in essential agreement.

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19 Dec 2010, 11:00 pm

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Did he [your deceased father] happen to appear in anyone's dreams? That seems to be the most common. Some report knowing they are present and/or receiving some inaudible communication from them. I believe in the reality of these things.

check out the book "hello from heaven" for more info about spiritual communications. spirits have been known to communicate in a variety of highly personal ways, best comprehended by the intended recipient of said communications. my [deceased] father and mother have appeared to me in my dreams [with the appearance of being decades younger], as well as in the dreams of my older sister. at least one time we both dreamt the same dream, in terms of the parents appearing and "talking" to each of us.

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19 Dec 2010, 11:07 pm

what kind of faith is possessed by the gifted people who can miraculously walk on hot coals sans injury, or persuade wooden planks and bricks to part sides when a gifted person's karate-trained hand makes contact?

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19 Dec 2010, 11:12 pm

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It's called science. Coal walking has something to do with surface area and heat dispersion and breaking boards has more to do with your technique and where you hit the board than some magical ability or talent. The pattern of the wooden grain should also be taken into account. Also breaking multiple boards is a chain reaction from the momentum and shockwaves of your blow. It can also be due to the boards having space between them.

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19 Dec 2010, 11:20 pm

VILESK8 wrote:

Fellow persons with AS, what are your thoughts on God, a supreme being, and/or religion(s)?"

Well I am a Christian. I try to be a 'mere Christian' as described by C.S. Lewis. I am denominationally Catholic, though the Nicene Creed is all anyone need get through to be considered fellow Christian in my book. As to going to Church, having AS has had its troubles, but it did not stop me getting involved as a member of the community.

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20 Dec 2010, 7:33 am

leejosepho wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

Religion is a pacifier for those who fear death.

Everyone has some kind of religion, Ruveyn, and even the atheists who might not fear anything.

I suspect atheists fear (or at least dread) death just like any other natural born human beings. They just do not make up comforting fairy tales about it.

The best way to give up that lust for Life Eternal is to consider the Boredom Eternal that goes with it.

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20 Dec 2010, 7:38 am

^^^^

Atheists believe that death is the end and that there is no judgement. That the way you live your life will be subject to no eternal accountability. Sounds like belief in death could equally be a pacifier for those who fear judgement.

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20 Dec 2010, 7:46 am

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The best way to give up that lust for Life Eternal is to consider the Boredom Eternal that goes with it.

"Boredom Eternal" is mere rhetorical projection.

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20 Dec 2010, 7:52 am

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Some people are afraid of spiders, some of snakes, some of the dark, and some of a final judgment. The first three represent some kind of real danger and the last is based on no evidence at all. To have to base decent behavior on fear of the retribution of a being never observed and whose very thinking cannot be comprehended no matter what tales about its preferences might be is at minimum a neurosis and at maximum a psychosis, no matter how widespread these maladies might be.

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20 Dec 2010, 8:19 am

^^^

As a Christian I believe God has been observed (he came to Earth in the first century) and is real in my life, so I do not really accept that point. As to the evidence, whenever I make an argument for the existence of God, which I have on many occasions, you usually resort to personal attacks or with irrelevant postings, such as this (your statement in part reinforces what I am saying, but you still felt the need to imply that I am either neurotic or insane). Basing your argument on suppositions such of these is indicative of your desire against a straw man rather than a real one. I think that your condescension belies a good deal of anger and hurt. I hope that you find some sort of resolution on the matter rather than solace in attacking the Theists on an internet forum.

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20 Dec 2010, 8:50 am

Given that Sand will insult many other groups other than theists, I doubt that this is just a theism thing.

Even further, the whole stuff about "fear" is silly in all directions. Some people may stick to religions out of a fear of death, but not all religions even focus much on death and afterlife issues, which suggests that the core of religion is something else. I would tend to think it is a result of cognitive issues of human beings, such as a hyperactive agency detector, along with our essentialism.

That being said, to answer the original question, I am an atheist. I once was a Christian, but I left after a deeply trying period where my community rejected me, an act that left me very psychologically damaged, but also that caused me to doubt those answers I would give to the problem of evil.(among other things) I think that naturalism is more likely true than religion, and that the evidence is so extensive, that it even includes ourselves.

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20 Dec 2010, 8:54 am

^^^^

For what its worth, I am also often angry at the behavior of my fellow Christians and I have had similar experiences.

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20 Dec 2010, 9:25 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

I once was a Christian, but I left after a deeply trying period where my community rejected me, an act that left me very psychologically damaged, but also that caused me to doubt those answers I would give to the problem of evil.(among other things)

In slightly different words: Same here. I had done everything said to me for over a quarter-century and my life still fell completely apart, and then the pastor I had grown alongside since birth and who is now the denominational president had nothing more to suggest than "Keep coming back." However, and rather than turning to atheism or whatever, I have since merely tossed out the dirty bath water (sectarian religion) while yet seeking the real deal since found in Scripture.

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20 Dec 2010, 10:32 am

91 wrote:

I am not attacking you, I am diagnosing your difficulty. I am quite sympathetic with all these people struggling under the delusion that this life is a mere brief interim ending in some rather odd extension into a rather pointless eternity. To deny that guilt and the fear of final judgment at death is an essential and fundamental element in Christianity is to be in rather peculiar denial of an obvious phenomenon. It is no insult to identify a psychological malady, it is the first step towards a cure. I could not empathize with someone in love with cancer or some other disease. I would recommend something sensible be done about it.

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20 Dec 2010, 9:41 pm

ruveyn wrote:

The best way to give up that lust for Life Eternal is to consider the Boredom Eternal that goes with it.

why do you believe that eternal life [in a higher realm] must be boring?

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20 Dec 2010, 9:45 pm

auntblabby wrote:

ruveyn wrote:

The best way to give up that lust for Life Eternal is to consider the Boredom Eternal that goes with it.

why do you believe that eternal life [in a higher realm] must be boring?

Ruveyn has lived over seventy years and seems already bored. Eternity would only exacerbate the problem.

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