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14 Dec 2010, 7:05 pm

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You know I really wish Beck was off his rocker, it is more scary to me that it looks like (based on research I've done) he's actually sane and actually right on the money.


In the money, not on it. He mad $32 million in 2009 alone. From the article:

"I could give a flying crap about the political process," Beck tells the new issue of Forbes magazine (Forbes.com).

"We're an entertainment company."

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/2010/04/07/2010-04-07_cash_from_controversy_glenn_beck_made_32_m_in_the_last_year_says_forbes.html


Uh, you just quoted a secondhand source which left a bunch of stuff out...

With a deadpan, Beck insists that he is not political: "I could give a flying crap about the political process." Making money, on the other hand, is to be taken very seriously, and controversy is its own coinage. "We're an entertainment company," Beck says. He has managed to monetize virtually everything that comes out of his mouth. He gets $13 million a year from print (books plus the ten-issue-a-year magazine Fusion). Radio brings in $10 million. Digital (including a newsletter, the ad-supported Glennbeck.com and merchandise) pulls in $4 million. Speaking and events are good for $3 million and television for $2 million. Over several days in mid-March Beck allowed a reporter to follow him through his multimedia incarnations, with one exception, his 5 p.m. daily show on Fox News, which attracts just under 3 million viewers. (FORBES has a relationship with that channel via Forbes on Fox.)
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0426/ ... k-inc.html

Article also points out that Glenn Beck has ADHD, so he's similar to us in some respects.

Anyways looks like the quote is out of context, he's talking about making money (and you can be entertaining and still tell the truth imagine that).


In the late 1990s (Beck is fuzzy on dates), while filling in as a talk radio host at WABC in New York City, Beck got a lucky call from media agent George Hiltzik, who had been tipped off by the program director. Beck told him he had an offer to do talk radio in Tampa. Hiltzik was impressed with Beck's passion--and his urge to make a lot of money. They cut a deal with WFLA in Tampa, and in early 2000 Beck headed south. Within a week or so he read a story about parents who had built a tree house for a child with leukemia and were fighting the homeowners' association that claimed the structure violated height restrictions. Could he do the broadcast from the tree house? He was off and running.


http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0426/ ... k-inc.html

So, looks like he enjoys helping the little guy.


Start with publishing, the most lucrative unit. Kevin Balfe keeps a spreadsheet of every new idea Beck blurts out.
http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0426/ ... inc_2.html

Sounds almost like Beck has Aspergers, if so that would also explain his mannerisms.

"I think I say the things that people are afraid to say--and sometimes the things people are too smart to say," Beck laughs. Even to his occasional regret. "I would take back the things that I say right from the hip, without thinking," he says, without getting specific.

http://www.forbes.com/forbes/2010/0426/ ... inc_2.html

So the guy is ADHD and also possibly has Aspergers, he certainly is very successful now. While he may consider himself to be a performer, that doesn't mean he isn't telling the truth while providing entertainment. While the actual article is critical of him in some ways it says nothing about him making anything up about what he says.



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14 Dec 2010, 8:02 pm

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You know, this is why the tea party thinks liberals are a bunch of elitists that are so full of themselves and think they know more than they really do. Quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if average tea partiers are more intelligent than the average liberal voter.


That's not the impression that I get from this video...

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lUPMjC9mq5Y[/youtube]


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14 Dec 2010, 9:05 pm

@ Tollorin

Some left wing groups got caught trying to infiltrate the tea party to discredit them, scary thing is some media outlets were in on it and got caught.



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14 Dec 2010, 9:21 pm

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You know, this is why the tea party thinks liberals are a bunch of elitists that are so full of themselves and think they know more than they really do. Quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if average tea partiers are more intelligent than the average liberal voter.


That's not the impression that I get from this video...

If you go around at any political rally and interview people, you will find an alarming number of astonishingly misinformed idiots. The phenomenon is not unique to the right-wing.

That said, I get the impression that the right is somewhat worse about it.


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15 Dec 2010, 7:59 am

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Some left wing groups got caught trying to infiltrate the tea party to discredit them, scary thing is some media outlets were in on it and got caught.

But are you have not denied them, you have not denied that there is a good visible proportion of the movement (more than in any kind of movement) that is unintelligent and the problem is that a lot of people do that. Furthermore you are shielding them, you say it's an attack again what you think.

These people have an obvious distortion of reality. They think they are special, they think they are different and see anything as a threat to their dull vision of the world and because of that, History for them is a fancy hobby they can twist in a sentence, it's impossible to talk to them. Do you really think that something positive can come from this?

Shielding ignorance before promoting intelligence is what lead tyrants access to power. Freedom of being stupid never leads to freedom. Freedom is not free and you have to buy it with coins of responsibility, which means understanding of the world in the first place.

And I'm not a leftist, I believe in the core values you are defending.


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15 Dec 2010, 12:01 pm

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Tollorin wrote:
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You know, this is why the tea party thinks liberals are a bunch of elitists that are so full of themselves and think they know more than they really do. Quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if average tea partiers are more intelligent than the average liberal voter.


That's not the impression that I get from this video...

If you go around at any political rally and interview people, you will find an alarming number of astonishingly misinformed idiots. The phenomenon is not unique to the right-wing.

That said, I get the impression that the right is somewhat worse about it.


Are you aware that the Tea Party was initially (but not for long) a libertarian initiative to reduce government scope and move governance back toward constitutional constraints. Unfortunately as soon as it showed signs of life the right-ish political ideologues of the Republican party hijacked the movement.

If you recall the original Tea Party in Boston was a protest against taxes imposed without proper representation in Parliement.

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16 Dec 2010, 12:04 am

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Are you aware that the Tea Party was initially (but not for long) a libertarian initiative to reduce government scope and move governance back toward constitutional constraints. Unfortunately as soon as it showed signs of life the right-ish political ideologues of the Republican party hijacked the movement.

An early notion of what the Tea Parties could be is irrelevant to the current conversation about what they are.

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If you recall the original Tea Party in Boston was a protest against taxes imposed without proper representation in Parliement.

History major here. You can spare me the over-glorified and over-simplified elementary-school myth of the American Revolution. The objection was over tariffs designed to protect the monopolistic interests of a particular British corporation at the expense of cheaper imported stuff. It was not simply "we do not like taxes," nor was it so much an issue of representation, although that was a nice justification to grab onto.


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16 Dec 2010, 2:03 am

Orwell wrote:
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Are you aware that the Tea Party was initially (but not for long) a libertarian initiative to reduce government scope and move governance back toward constitutional constraints. Unfortunately as soon as it showed signs of life the right-ish political ideologues of the Republican party hijacked the movement.

An early notion of what the Tea Parties could be is irrelevant to the current conversation about what they are.

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If you recall the original Tea Party in Boston was a protest against taxes imposed without proper representation in Parliement.

History major here. You can spare me the over-glorified and over-simplified elementary-school myth of the American Revolution. The objection was over tariffs designed to protect the monopolistic interests of a particular British corporation at the expense of cheaper imported stuff. It was not simply "we do not like taxes," nor was it so much an issue of representation, although that was a nice justification to grab onto.


Didn't you say earlier you were a math major? Also you sound more like a political science major than a history major or if you are a history major I think I can guess your professors' political stances. :roll:

Here is the situation, a third party will not work in our current system all it would do is divide the opposition which is what the Democrats and leftists want so they can maintain their grip on power and take more and more freedom away from the people. Many of the tea partiers realized they had to do their changes within the Republican Party so that they didn't divide the opposition to tyranny in the General Election.

Oh how did you liberals like the judge throwing a monkey wrench into your little power grab? :lol:



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16 Dec 2010, 10:03 am

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Didn't you say earlier you were a math major?

Yes, I did.

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Also you sound more like a political science major than a history major or if you are a history major I think I can guess your professors' political stances. :roll:

How do I sound like a poli sci major? I can have political opinions regardless of my major.

I'm sure you can guess my professors' political stances, since almost all history professors are liberals. Hell, my German history professor was an ex-Marxist. But my prof's opinion on contemporary US politics doesn't affect what she tells us about Medieval Russia. And even when one of my history professors does have a bias or their own opinion, they make sure to be very explicit that this is their interpretation, and they also present another scholar's interpretation.

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what the Democrats and leftists want so they can maintain their grip on power and take more and more freedom away from the people.

OK, so you are autistic and probably have a very weak theory of mind, but you should still realize that the motives you're ascribing are completely unrealistic.

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Oh how did you liberals like the judge throwing a monkey wrench into your little power grab? :lol:

I'm pretty sure I've said this before, but I'm not really a fan of the healthcare bill. I just don't see why the Right has to have such overblown and absurd criticism of it. It has plenty of its own flaws without making up crap about death panels.


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19 Dec 2010, 10:36 pm

History will vindicate them. Either once the US goes under, or once extreme measures are put on our children to prevent that from hap happening.