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26 Dec 2010, 3:34 pm

Dear me - not trying to correct Ruveyn, just looking to get more precision into "rabbi"

BUT - since you mention Boxing Day, of course except in jest it has nothing to do with pugilism. I tend to be down on Boxing Day, which like the offensive practice of tipping perpetuates into what we like to think of as a more egalitarian age what was part and parcel of the lord - serf system.

Though the day itself is a good transition from festivity to normality.



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26 Dec 2010, 6:08 pm

Philologos wrote:
Dear me - not trying to correct Ruveyn, just looking to get more precision into "rabbi"


Who doesn't count the Karaites as jewish?



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26 Dec 2010, 7:07 pm

Well,that is the question. One does not know with certainty the boundaries.

Different parts of Christianity will give you different answers on Quakers, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, I suspect most Muslims will rule out the Druze and Bahai. Samaritans and Karaites - in and out by mainline Judaism? I don't know so I raise the question.



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26 Dec 2010, 7:22 pm

Philologos wrote:
Well,that is the question. One does not know with certainty the boundaries.

Different parts of Christianity will give you different answers on Quakers, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, I suspect most Muslims will rule out the Druze and Bahai. Samaritans and Karaites - in and out by mainline Judaism? I don't know so I raise the question.


I have never heard of 'mainstream' Judaism condemning any of their denominations.



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26 Dec 2010, 9:15 pm

^^^^

What is mainstream Judaism? What is a Jew? These are serious open questions among practitioners. Is it simply, cultural, legal or religious? Have you ever listened to a Conservative Jew talk about their secular brothers? Or listened to both talk about the Ultra-Orthodox? That does not even begin to scratch the surface of the differences between Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, Sephardi etc. Nor does it deal with the differences between Jews who also hold differing views on the Zionist spectrum (this also can be a religious difference). The truth is that Judaism is just as fractured and interesting as all other forms of group identity.


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26 Dec 2010, 9:52 pm

It's worse than the quantum physics indeterminate until observed deal. With what is Jewish Christian Muslim etc., the one you observe is observing and defining you back.

It's like Yankee - where does the saying come from? British - Yankee - American; Southland - Yankee = Northerner, North - Yankee - New England. New England - Yankee = eats pie for breakfast!

And if you let the outsider classify, the result may be more stable but meaningless.



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27 Dec 2010, 10:02 am

91 wrote:
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What is mainstream Judaism? What is a Jew? These are serious open questions among practitioners. Is it simply, cultural, legal or religious? Have you ever listened to a Conservative Jew talk about their secular brothers? Or listened to both talk about the Ultra-Orthodox? That does not even begin to scratch the surface of the differences between Ashkenazi, Mizrahi, Sephardi etc. Nor does it deal with the differences between Jews who also hold differing views on the Zionist spectrum (this also can be a religious difference). The truth is that Judaism is just as fractured and interesting as all other forms of group identity.


If one is Jewish (as I am) regardless of what flavor of Judaism one is practicing (or failing to practice) one knows what a Jew is. I can be in a room with my Orthodox Brethren and even though I do not practice their extreme forms I feel totally at home with them. When I am among Reform Jews, who are sitting around snacking on shrimp cocktails I feel quite at home with them. You have to be brought up Jewish to comprehend being Jewish. It simply cannot be understood from the outside.

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27 Dec 2010, 10:10 am

ruveyn wrote:
91 wrote:
Hi everyone, just thought I would wish you all a Merry Christmas, enjoy the holidays with family and friends. You all have my best wishes. Whatever your beliefs (or lack thereof) please find something special to enjoy this holiday.

Regards

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Happy Winter Solstice to you. May your days get brighter and longer.

ruveyn


Happy Hanukkah Ruveyn, although Hanukkah was earlier than Christmas this year.

Merry Christmas and Happy Boxing Day to everyone else both of which are also now past. Also Happy New Gregorian Year to everyone shortly and Happy Birthday to my wife on that same day.



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27 Dec 2010, 10:14 am

Philologos wrote:
...Boxing Day, of course except in jest it has nothing to do with pugilism.


You ought to have seen my family at my stepdad's home yesterday then. Pugilism and bellicose moods are all part of the celebration of nitpicking each other's faults and failures, although it doesn't really have to be any day in particular for that to be that case at my stepdad's home as such overly warm feelings constantly permeate that dwelling.



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27 Dec 2010, 11:46 am

iamnotaparakeet:

By us when grampa came to visit it was total nitpicking, but all mental / verbal domination. You have my sympathy. Watching dad and grampa doing sumo wrestling oneupmanship was quite enough for me.

Ruveyn:

How are your recognition factors on Karaites [I am told they are still around] and Samaritans [also still extant last I heard some years back]?



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27 Dec 2010, 11:53 am

Merry PPR topic

May whatever force comforts and strengthens be with us. 8)


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28 Dec 2010, 1:43 am

Meh, i still consider Christmas to be nothing more than an excuse to consume. =.= Why else were Christmas publicities and sales out the very day that followed Halloween? ><



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28 Dec 2010, 2:20 am

phil777 wrote:
Meh, i still consider Christmas to be nothing more than an excuse to consume. =.= Why else were Christmas publicities and sales out the very day that followed Halloween? ><


Because businesses commercialize and profiteer off of everything, such as the sales of fireworks and American flags made in China for the 4th of July.