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28 Dec 2010, 3:56 am

PGD Have modern christians one single solitary piece of empirical evidence that the aforementioned story has even the minutest whiff of voracity to it.


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28 Dec 2010, 10:28 am

You are asking PGD?

Oh, let's go ask Nancy Pelosi what Sarah Palin's plans are.

In any case, the question falls down so long as "empirical evidence" is defined by A as "evidence that meets my set of standards A" and by B as "evidence that meets my set of standards B". We already know that atheist and theist have differing underlying premises.

In any case - as you doubtless well know - any and all support for the virgin birth [which if I am correct cannot be not strict parthenogenesis given Jesus' gender, and I am surprised nobody flagged that sleight of hand] is purely anecdotal. We do not have a sample of Jesus' DNA even. Though all that could do is confirm Miriam as the mother - if we had HER DNA. Paternity would still be moot, because there is no reason to rule out the possibility of God giving Jesus DNA compatible with Joseph.

I want you to bring me now - on a platter - empirical evidence that Napoleon Bonaparte existed.

I once owned a very nice book proving he did not, explaining him as mass delusion and solar myth. I ciould NEVER decide whether the author was serious or mocking.



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28 Dec 2010, 11:52 am

Philologos wrote:

I want you to bring me now - on a platter - empirical evidence that Napoleon Bonaparte existed.

I once owned a very nice book proving he did not, explaining him as mass delusion and solar myth. I ciould NEVER decide whether the author was serious or mocking.


Eye witness testimony in his time and samples of has arsenic laden hair taken from his corpse.

There are too many independent reports of what Napoleon did to be a trick or coincidence.

Whereas there is only one source for the Virgin Birth, the Gospels and even that is hearsay because there is no report of anyone who was with the Jewess Miriam from the time she was impregnated until the time she presumably gave birth in a manger (ugh! what a place to have a baby. In straw covered with animal sh*t).

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28 Dec 2010, 12:32 pm

Nobody but Napoleon took arsenic? NO way the corpse could be someone else?

I grant a high probability Napoleon existed - almost as high as that the moon is not made of green cheese. I never did believe The Napoleon Myth

http://openlibrary.org/works/OL1537052W ... oleon_myth

But of course, high probability is just a hypothesis waiting to be falsified.