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30 Dec 2010, 3:38 pm

"nudity is not pornography... that is obviously only so in the USA which has a million or so double standards of morale."

A million double standards = how many positions?



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30 Dec 2010, 3:53 pm

ErniePringle wrote:
Why are there laws against paedophilia? The fact that the age of consent differs from country to country, and even from state to state, plainly demonstrates that youth and maturity are mere social constructs used to maintain the status quo.
Not really.

If you really think this, well, explain.

A 15 years old may think he is more mature than a 17 years old, but there needs to be laws against sex in which the relationship is very asymmetrical. Because more often than not a 26 years old would have too much power over a 13 years old for sex to be truly consensual. You are right that age is not really a fixed line and 18 years old are not necessarily more mature than 17 years old. But what other metric do you suggest? There is no unambiguous measure of responsibility and maturity. So age is probably the best choice we have for this...


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30 Dec 2010, 4:40 pm

But ultimately arbitrary - I know a guy a year older as me what his level of psychosexual maturity - nuff said.



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31 Dec 2010, 12:14 am

Philologos wrote:
"nudity is not pornography... that is obviously only so in the USA which has a million or so double standards of morale."

A million double standards = how many positions?



:lol:



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31 Dec 2010, 12:28 am

MasterJedi wrote:
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Pedophilia does not necessarily mean sex with a child--only having an interest in sex with children, or being turned on sexually by ideas involving children. Hence, having images of nude children is illegal.


in denmark that is absolutely not illegal.

child pornography is illegal.

nudity is not pornography... that is obviously only so in the USA which has a million or so double standards of morale.


you know, in America, we can just walk up to someone and shoot them in the head without getting into any kind of trouble. The person's family wouldn't mind either because as everyone know, Americans are just airless, knuckle-dragging apes.


... but a nipple-slip on national TV turns into mass-hysteria... :roll: :wink:


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31 Dec 2010, 7:54 am

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you know, in America, we can just walk up to someone and shoot them in the head without getting into any kind of trouble. The person's family wouldn't mind either because as everyone know, Americans are just airless, knuckle-dragging apes.


What? In the U.S. committing homicide gets one in trouble. In almost all cases some kind of legal action is taken and the person who sheds blood better have a god damned good reason for doing so. Very few homicides happen without some kind of legal process following.

The other day I was out shopping in America and I didn't see a single person dragging his knuckles on the ground. That last place I saw knuckle dragging was at a labor union meeting.

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31 Dec 2010, 9:14 am

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Why are there laws against paedophilia


it is difficult to understand why you ask that question.
do you think paedophilia should be legal?

it is a perversion (inappropriate sexual attraction) that is damaging to the development of children. children who trust that adults will protect them will feel safe in the world. children believe that if they are in peril, then any adult in the world will take them under their wing and return them to safety. this makes them feel safe and protected.

but once an adult violates a childs trust, and the child experiences grief at the hands of an adult, then that child will retract their trust in the honor of humanity, and they will not grow freely without suspicion of human honesty and integrity.

suspicion makes a person scared to believe what they think they see, and so it stunts development and causes their life to follow a very much reduced variegation of exploration because they do not trust what will happen in their exploratory experimentation, and therefore it condemns them to live an inferior existence as an adult because their personalities are prevented from flourishing due to the lack of trust in the feedback from humanity.
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whatever. i do not know. i just think it is wrong to subject any animal (not just humans) to an inappropriate sexual violation.



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31 Dec 2010, 10:19 am

Actually, if you look at the word itself:

The prefix "paedo" or "pedo" refers to children.

The suffix "phile" = someone who loves the subject of the prefix. "philia" = the state of loving the subject of the prefix.

The suffix does not necessarily mean a sexual love. Look at the word "Bibliophile" = someone who loves books. A bibliophile doesn't necessarily get horny as a result of strolling down the aisles of a public library.

"Pedophile" could just mean someone who loves children, as Santa Claus does.



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31 Dec 2010, 11:28 am

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Such laws are important but I have to wonder if the way ours is set up is better or if the general consensus from Europe is better. Europe is more around 15/16 whereas much of the US is 17/18. But Europe also seems to have less hangups about sex and the US is much more uptight about sexuality in general.


The Puritans and their ilk were born uptight. And then the Catholics from Ireland and Northern Europe were a bit wound up on the matter of sexuality. The Catholics from the sunnier climates were a lot easier on the matter (Spain and Italy).

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31 Dec 2010, 11:48 am

ruveyn wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
Such laws are important but I have to wonder if the way ours is set up is better or if the general consensus from Europe is better. Europe is more around 15/16 whereas much of the US is 17/18. But Europe also seems to have less hangups about sex and the US is much more uptight about sexuality in general.


The Puritans and their ilk were born uptight. And then the Catholics from Ireland and Northern Europe were a bit wound up on the matter of sexuality. The Catholics from the sunnier climates were a lot easier on the matter (Spain and Italy).

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Interesting. I guess my Italian heritage must be dominant there rather than German or French. :P


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31 Dec 2010, 11:53 am

As b9 says Why are you asking the question?

you're argument against such laws actually works the other way.
You told us that all cultures have somekind of 'age of consent' - they may differ on the exact age but youve demonstrated that the general concept is universal- thus proving the exact opposite of what you're trying to prove which is that the concept is arbitrary.

But why are you trying to prove it anyway?

I get that you said that its not because you wanna have sex with minors. So then why?



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31 Dec 2010, 11:58 am

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I get that you said that its not because you wanna have sex with minors. So then why?



It's a fairly abstract concept (consent) so I could see how someone might have trouble grasping it.


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31 Dec 2010, 12:07 pm

b9 wrote:
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Why are there laws against paedophilia


it is difficult to understand why you ask that question.
do you think paedophilia should be legal?

it is a perversion (inappropriate sexual attraction) that is damaging to the development of children. children who trust that adults will protect them will feel safe in the world. children believe that if they are in peril, then any adult in the world will take them under their wing and return them to safety. this makes them feel safe and protected.

but once an adult violates a childs trust, and the child experiences grief at the hands of an adult, then that child will retract their trust in the honor of humanity, and they will not grow freely without suspicion of human honesty and integrity.

suspicion makes a person scared to believe what they think they see, and so it stunts development and causes their life to follow a very much reduced variegation of exploration because they do not trust what will happen in their exploratory experimentation, and therefore it condemns them to live an inferior existence as an adult because their personalities are prevented from flourishing due to the lack of trust in the feedback from humanity.
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whatever. i do not know. i just think it is wrong to subject any animal (not just humans) to an inappropriate sexual violation.


QFT

I suppose it's easy to rationalize it if you're talking about someone who's just under the legal age, but when children are sexually abused the damage done is monumental. It is probably one of the worst thing you could do to a child.
b9 said it all very eloquently, I'm just reacting emotionally.



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02 Jan 2011, 9:22 pm

I'd make some off color jokes, but this isn't 4chan.



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02 Jan 2011, 9:48 pm

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I'd make some off color jokes, but this isn't 4chan.


I think that's where this perv came from.

He should be publicly castrated and lobotomized.


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02 Jan 2011, 9:54 pm

MasterJedi wrote:
JNathanK wrote:
I'd make some off color jokes, but this isn't 4chan.


I think that's where this perv came from.

He should be publicly castrated and lobotomized.

Why? We don't really know his background or thinking processes.

Given that the issue in his mind really seemed to be statutory rape laws, rather than taking your three year old cousin out behind the shack for a game of suck the snake, I am not sure that there are grounds to assume this person needs to be seriously hurt. People often take unusual positions at given points in time, the real question is whether they stay there.