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03 Jan 2011, 11:25 pm

Then why don't each of them sneak in some money too fund separate oppositional parties?



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03 Jan 2011, 11:47 pm

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Then why don't each of them sneak in some money too fund separate oppositional parties?

If they got caught, the backlash would be pretty severe. Neither party is above dirty tricks, but that one is dirty enough to be dangerous. There is also some risk that the fringe party they back will gain some influence and move the national conversation in the other direction.


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03 Jan 2011, 11:52 pm

Well they have time, why not take the risk with appropriate safety measures?



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03 Jan 2011, 11:58 pm

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Then why don't each of them sneak in some money too fund separate oppositional parties?

If they got caught, the backlash would be pretty severe. Neither party is above dirty tricks, but that one is dirty enough to be dangerous. There is also some risk that the fringe party they back will gain some influence and move the national conversation in the other direction.

It would have to be done in a way such that the third party thinks the money is coming from some other source, which would require a rather elaborate conspiracy. It would be too risky for the established party to trust the third party with an open offer since they could reject it and use it to blackmail the established party.



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04 Jan 2011, 12:23 am

Wasn't there some sort of stink during the last election cycle that some of the Tea Party spin offs were being organized by Democrats? I'd have sworn I saw that being reported somewhere, but I couldn't attest to the veracity of the claim.


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04 Jan 2011, 12:48 am

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This is a state where people with felony convictions are disenfranchised, but that doesn't stop a criminal from taking over the governor's mansion. Yes, he's a criminal, despite the failure of the law to be properly enforced against him.


Was he convicted of a felony. If so, what was the charge and where and when was he convicted.

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The company under his direct command was convicted of 14(!) felonies... but as it's Limited Liability... blah blah blah... it's always the same.



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04 Jan 2011, 12:50 am

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I actually know a man who is friends with Rick Scott. This man also owns hospitals, has 2 waterfront houses in one of the more expensive neighborhoods in the county. This neighborhood also votes republican (of course, every house costs over $1,000,000).

The sh** about him getting in trouble with the law is kinda ret*d. You can't run a business without breaking some rules and the bigger the business the more severe the breaks. If Bill Gates or Steve Jobs became governor of some state people would rant non-stop about copyrights and monopolizing the market. Think of all the big companies that might potentially be bribing government investigators and the like to keep their mouths shut about their wrongdoing, think about all the small businesses involved in money laundering.

I don't give a rats ass how much money he made for himself IF he can turn the Florida economy around. Our unemployment is around 11% and we don't need more unemployment compensation, we need jobs. I don't get unemployment cause I haven't had a job, I met a guy who worked his ass off for years and just lost his job and is happy to sit back and collect unemployment and I don't blame him, if I was in his shoes I'd be collecting that sh** and vacationing till it ran out. However, if everyone could have a job they liked making money they couldn't complain about why would we need unemployment? That should be the goal of a successful government.

Don't get me wrong I don't particularly like Republicans, health-care, Rick or anything. He's just something Florida has to accept because it voted for him and I'll just hope things get better.

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How will he create jobs? More sacrifices to the wealthy so that they can presumably herd the people into slave labour camps to produce for non-existent markets as demand is a dirty word... consumption is a vice and production a virtue? The whole Republican plan is designed to suppress wages and cause a general reduction of the standard of living of the vast majority of people. Even they admit to it.



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04 Jan 2011, 1:03 am

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Wasn't there some sort of stink during the last election cycle that some of the Tea Party spin offs were being organized by Democrats? I'd have sworn I saw that being reported somewhere, but I couldn't attest to the veracity of the claim.

There is a segment of the Right which believes that everything that ever happens is part of a master plan by the vast left-wing conspiracy, so I'm sure that has been reported somewhere.


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04 Jan 2011, 1:13 am

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How will he create jobs?


Beats me, I prefer to NOT overanalyze things I can't change. I'd rather plan out how I'm going to build my next car.


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04 Jan 2011, 5:21 am

xenon13 wrote:
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This is a state where people with felony convictions are disenfranchised, but that doesn't stop a criminal from taking over the governor's mansion. Yes, he's a criminal, despite the failure of the law to be properly enforced against him.


Was he convicted of a felony. If so, what was the charge and where and when was he convicted.

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The company under his direct command was convicted of 14(!) felonies... but as it's Limited Liability... blah blah blah... it's always the same.


The company is an artificial person. I asked, and you have not yet answered: Was Scott the flesh and blood man convicted of a felony. If so where, when and on what indictment. It is a very simple question. Why won't you answer it?

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05 Jan 2011, 1:02 am

He was in command. He should have been convicted personally of a felony. The corporation under his command was convicted of 14 felonies. That he was not convicted personally is proof that the wealthy never pay for their crimes. If this was the war crimes trials they'd have nailed him for life. They executed a Japanese general for the acts of soldiers that were known to be out of his control.



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05 Jan 2011, 8:50 am

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He was in command. He should have been convicted personally of a felony. The corporation under his command was convicted of 14 felonies. That he was not convicted personally is proof that the wealthy never pay for their crimes. If this was the war crimes trials they'd have nailed him for life. They executed a Japanese general for the acts of soldiers that were known to be out of his control.


Shudah, Wudah, Cudah. Was he ever indicted (personally) and if so was he ever convicted? If the answer is no and no, he is not disqualified (legally) to hold office in Florida.

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05 Jan 2011, 12:29 pm

ruveyn wrote:
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He was in command. He should have been convicted personally of a felony. The corporation under his command was convicted of 14 felonies. That he was not convicted personally is proof that the wealthy never pay for their crimes. If this was the war crimes trials they'd have nailed him for life. They executed a Japanese general for the acts of soldiers that were known to be out of his control.


Shudah, Wudah, Cudah. Was he ever indicted (personally) and if so was he ever convicted? If the answer is no and no, he is not disqualified (legally) to hold office in Florida.

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He is in command! He is responsible! End of discussion! He did the crime - 14 felonies confessed by the supposed "person" under his direct command. So they said the fake "person" is responsible. That's convenient. I should create a corporation under my command and commit serial killings in its name and have the corporation convicted and I can continue to be in freedom. Why, my corporation isn't even put to death!



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05 Jan 2011, 12:35 pm

You can see why they didn't charge Scott personally and it's the same reason they refused to charge that hedge fund manager in Colorado for a felony in a hit and run on a surgeon - it's because it would have ruined his career and that will never do. You can only ruin poor people forever and ever and ban them from voting and the rest of it. Scott must remain intact to offer his dubious "talents" to such people as the People of Florida!

They can either end the policy of ruining convicted felons for life (a life sentence, really) or they can start enforcing the law on the wealthy for a change. If the law is not enforced on certain people that ends the legitimacy of the system. The rule of law is dead. Why, even when the laws are rewritten to benefit the wealthy the rule of law may be technically intact but the legitimacy is dead.

Imagine had Scott been treated like a poor person. He'd have been put in solitary confinement for years and years and years and had his mind broken like they've been doing to tens of thousands of people throughout the USA. Imagine Rick Scott hallucinating and throwing excrement at his guards and babbling incoherently and shaking... that would have been him without the wealth and power. As it stands, he is above the law, and that alone makes him a monster.

Sometimes I'm surprised that there haven't been assassinations of these people yet - it just shows that the people who would be going around assassinating people have been encouraged to be on the side of the monsters, not to turn against them.



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05 Jan 2011, 2:23 pm

I am going to side (substantively) with ruveyn on this one.

The "directing mind" theory of liability is not generally accepted in common law jurisdictions, absent some specific statutory attempt to impute criminal liability.

Now I have no doubt that this man is a scoundrel of the first order who deserves to be held accountable for the things that were done under his watch. But to describe him as a, "criminal," is to take liberties with the meaning of the word. He may be a liar, a con artist and a man with the ethics of feral cat--but let's not allow him to defend himself by calling him a criminal when he is not proved so to be.


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05 Jan 2011, 2:30 pm

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You can see why they didn't charge Scott personally and it's the same reason they refused to charge that hedge fund manager in Colorado for a felony in a hit and run on a surgeon - it's because it would have ruined his career and that will never do. You can only ruin poor people forever and ever and ban them from voting and the rest of it. Scott must remain intact to offer his dubious "talents" to such people as the People of Florida!

They can either end the policy of ruining convicted felons for life (a life sentence, really) or they can start enforcing the law on the wealthy for a change. If the law is not enforced on certain people that ends the legitimacy of the system. The rule of law is dead. Why, even when the laws are rewritten to benefit the wealthy the rule of law may be technically intact but the legitimacy is dead.

Imagine had Scott been treated like a poor person. He'd have been put in solitary confinement for years and years and years and had his mind broken like they've been doing to tens of thousands of people throughout the USA. Imagine Rick Scott hallucinating and throwing excrement at his guards and babbling incoherently and shaking... that would have been him without the wealth and power. As it stands, he is above the law, and that alone makes him a monster.

Sometimes I'm surprised that there haven't been assassinations of these people yet - it just shows that the people who would be going around assassinating people have been encouraged to be on the side of the monsters, not to turn against them.

It seems the non-wealthy ruined-for-life convicted felons, the ones who are released from prison but abandoned by society, are instead interested in doing Rupert Murdock and Roger Ailes bidding by becoming terrorists who want to shoot up the Tides Foundation.