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10 Feb 2011, 4:18 pm

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So you're telling me that a 400+ page bill was constructed by our congress about a week after 9/11?


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10 Feb 2011, 4:21 pm

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We could argue too that Democrats were the ones abusing power see Scooter Libby (and btw, the leak came from someone under Colin Powell and the prosecutor knew that and continued on his witchhunt).

What? How is Scooter Libby a Democrat? He is a neoconservative and a convicted felon.


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10 Feb 2011, 4:24 pm

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So you're telling me that a 400+ page bill was constructed by our congress about a week after 9/11?


Are we going to have the song and dance routine about some 9/11 conspiracy and the person that really flew the planes into the WTC was George Bush? :roll:

Yes it is actually believable that they wrote it in a week, that explains why they had to tinker with it several times because it was rushed.



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10 Feb 2011, 4:34 pm

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I'm actually glad it is going away in all honesty.

Bush acted in some ways like the charecter Batman from the movie Dark Knight. Where his little spy system ends up self-destructing after he's finished catching the Joker. No matter what you could tell that Bush was out purely to protect the American people and he in fact even kept his mouth shut about things found in Iraq as well as terrorist plots thwarted that would have made his 2004 re-election a lot easier. However, he chose to protect the country not do what was politically expedient.

In short, you are OK with blatant abuses of power and violations of the Constitution as long as it's your guy in charge.


There were a number of things Bush could have done that would have really abused his power. We had just been attacked and weren't sure if we would be attacked again.
That doesn't change the fact that the Patriot Act is a massive breach of privacy which expands the government way past its jurisdiction.



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10 Feb 2011, 4:35 pm

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Are we going to have the song and dance routine about some 9/11 conspiracy and the person that really flew the planes into the WTC was George Bush?


Nothing like that. I believe it was a compilation of a few years worth of legislation that they had been working on.


It was the new Pearl Harbor that the PNAC wanted/needed. I wouldn't call it conspiracy so much as it was cynical use of convenience...which fits their general MO.


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10 Feb 2011, 5:41 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:
We could argue too that Democrats were the ones abusing power see Scooter Libby (and btw, the leak came from someone under Colin Powell and the prosecutor knew that and continued on his witchhunt).

What? How is Scooter Libby a Democrat? He is a neoconservative and a convicted felon.


He was convicted of perjury after being baggered by a Prosecutor for hours upon hours until he said something that would be contradicting what Libby said weeks prior. It is typically grounds in court for an objection: "Baggering the witness." Additionally, the Prosecutor knew whom the leak was and still continued to go on his witchhunt.



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10 Feb 2011, 7:49 pm

skafather84 wrote:
So you're telling me that a 400+ page bill was constructed by our congress about a week after 9/11?


Actually, there isn't all that much that's original in the PATRIOT act, most of what's in it is directly copied from the RICO statutes with "terrorist" substituted for "mobster". There are a few other things in there that were probably on the feeb's wish list that got thrown in during the rush, but broadly speaking the whole thing is essentially copypasta that could have easily been slapped together in the given time frame.

Now the legislation that was introduced 2 days after the Giffords shooting, that was clearly sitting in various drawers waiting for a suitable tragedy to exploit (but I digress).


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10 Feb 2011, 8:08 pm

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skafather84 wrote:
So you're telling me that a 400+ page bill was constructed by our congress about a week after 9/11?


Actually, there isn't all that much that's original in the PATRIOT act, most of what's in it is directly copied from the RICO statutes with "terrorist" substituted for "mobster". There are a few other things in there that were probably on the feeb's wish list that got thrown in during the rush, but broadly speaking the whole thing is essentially copypasta that could have easily been slapped together in the given time frame.

Now the legislation that was introduced 2 days after the Giffords shooting, that was clearly sitting in various drawers waiting for a suitable tragedy to exploit (but I digress).
Makes sense. Nothing justifies paving the way to a police state.



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10 Feb 2011, 8:22 pm

Dox47 wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
So you're telling me that a 400+ page bill was constructed by our congress about a week after 9/11?


Actually, there isn't all that much that's original in the PATRIOT act, most of what's in it is directly copied from the RICO statutes with "terrorist" substituted for "mobster". There are a few other things in there that were probably on the feeb's wish list that got thrown in during the rush, but broadly speaking the whole thing is essentially copypasta that could have easily been slapped together in the given time frame.

Now the legislation that was introduced 2 days after the Giffords shooting, that was clearly sitting in various drawers waiting for a suitable tragedy to exploit (but I digress).


What legislation are you referring to in relation to giffords?



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10 Feb 2011, 8:38 pm

ikorack wrote:
Dox47 wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
So you're telling me that a 400+ page bill was constructed by our congress about a week after 9/11?


Actually, there isn't all that much that's original in the PATRIOT act, most of what's in it is directly copied from the RICO statutes with "terrorist" substituted for "mobster". There are a few other things in there that were probably on the feeb's wish list that got thrown in during the rush, but broadly speaking the whole thing is essentially copypasta that could have easily been slapped together in the given time frame.

Now the legislation that was introduced 2 days after the Giffords shooting, that was clearly sitting in various drawers waiting for a suitable tragedy to exploit (but I digress).


What legislation are you referring to in relation to giffords?


It was another attempt to ban firearms, or rather most modern firearms that civilians have...



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10 Feb 2011, 9:14 pm

oh yes I remember now.