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25 Jul 2006, 8:26 am

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This just sounds selfish to me. If it can be cured, let it be. We're not burdens on society at all, we can be just as functional as any NT, if not perform even better in certain fields, but autism/Aspergers is a burden to those who have it. I've slumped into deep near-suicidal depression and have abandoned many of the things I once cared due to my AS, and I don't believe anyone else deserves that. If anything, I'd be glad to be in what should hopefully the last generation that must suffer through it.


If they actually manage to rewire the brain then I maybe, just might, change my mind.

However, my main concern is that CAN/FAN/DAN will slide into a bogus cure like the 'cure' that was used for Judasism in WWII.



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25 Jul 2006, 9:43 am

If they are saying that, why don't they also say they can cure-cancer, aids, etc. I mean come on folks. Focus on curing deadly diseases first.


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25 Jul 2006, 10:52 am

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If they are saying that, why don't they also say they can cure-cancer, aids, etc. I mean come on folks. Focus on curing deadly diseases first.


How could they make any money if these diseases are cured outright? Come on, lengthy and extremely costly treatments are the way to go.


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25 Jul 2006, 10:08 pm

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How could they make any money if these diseases are cured outright? Come on, lengthy and extremely costly treatments are the way to go.

Because if they sell the drug and their competition doesn't then they get all of the profit from that drug. Also, because they are the only ones with that true cancer cure they can sell it for whatever price they really want, people would pay big money for the effectiveness and the lack of time consumption. Because cancer is not contageous they do not benefit from letting it last because it cannot spread, they just want to get customers, which having the best medicine might give them more of, and money, and there are likely to be people who would pay well for a better cure. Of course, if we assume a monopoly of the pharmaceutical market you would be absolutely right, however, there are a good amount of phamaceutical and biotech companies out there.



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31 Oct 2006, 9:06 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:Because if they sell the drug and their competition doesn't then they get all of the profit from that drug.

I never thought about it that way but you're probably right.Drug companies probably are doing that. It may be somewhat of a crazy offshoot of what you just said but maybe...just maybe...if terrorists really wanted to cripple America,they should attack ritalin production.Well...at least that what my mom said after she put all three of us to bed still bouncing around...;-)

btw aside to sighold accountlost,I'm not trying to be rude or have a "LONG Smart-alecy response" I was merely using a rhetorical question as a device to demonstrate that NT's don't always know what they're looking at or talking about.Again,I'm not trying to insult anyone.Many people feel like they're on the "wrongplanet" in live conversations but for me it's the other way around.I'm little lost in web culture! :lol:

*ahem*



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31 Oct 2006, 6:15 pm

Dark_Red_Beloved wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:Because if they sell the drug and their competition doesn't then they get all of the profit from that drug.

I never thought about it that way but you're probably right.Drug companies probably are doing that. It may be somewhat of a crazy offshoot of what you just said but maybe...just maybe...if terrorists really wanted to cripple America,they should attack ritalin production.Well...at least that what my mom said after she put all three of us to bed still bouncing around...;-)

btw aside to sighold accountlost,I'm not trying to be rude or have a "LONG Smart-alecy response" I was merely using a rhetorical question as a device to demonstrate that NT's don't always know what they're looking at or talking about.Again,I'm not trying to insult anyone.Many people feel like they're on the "wrongplanet" in live conversations but for me it's the other way around.I'm little lost in web culture! :lol:

*ahem*

Ummm....I was suggesting one, not saying you had one.


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31 Oct 2006, 7:02 pm

how exactly do they plan on "curing" autism? is there some type of Pill that you take? wtf? this is ridiculous. i want to see it to believe it. the termination of pregnancy for those who are suspected to have children with such an affliction. how about treating/curing those with other psychological disorders? this seems to be going waaaay too far. a whole new level of mind control if you ask me.

i've liked the responses so far. yeah, lets focus on curing "real diseases" like aids, cancer, and sociopathic disorders.

8O :twisted:



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31 Oct 2006, 8:49 pm

I rather not cure my mental state as it creates my true identity. If they found a 'cure' for Autism I predict a massive decline of potential genius minds from existing and the technological progress of mankind will stagnate; it would even decay into the dark ages within ten generations as the NTs would likely go to war and fight, then spend the time to think about their actions regarding the problem. Well when you think about it, Autism isn't just about having behavioral issues for some, it also creates savant level intelligence in some people and by curing it, would obviously mean you'd run out of free-thinking geniuses who can contribute to society (Newton and Einstein for instance). You'd also have to predict that the Autism gene has a segment which can enhance abilities that NT don't have and it also include savant abilities and by curing it, you're altering the gene that allows genius to exist basically in my opinion.

I see any idea of a cure as like a devolution because, if behavioral issues are disciplined by the parents in a responsible way, the potential of an Autistic child is far more outstanding than just throwing a quick fix to the problem or demand a cure. Autism is evolution, the problem is that evolution doesn't have a perfect track history, and likes to go in small jumps before getting to it's ideal state.

It would also help if NTs were to wise up and show us a level of respect as social prejudice is the critical problem for most of us, not our state of mind. Social anxiety to what I see is more because of how NT view us and treat us, rather than a problem with ourselves, I think if everyone respectfully treated each other, I doubt social issues would be relevant in society then.

The NTs to be frank are extremely lazy or greedy about handling problems and rather throw money into cures or preventive measures of Autistic people rather than try to educate, and that is the true problem I see.


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31 Oct 2006, 9:29 pm

I think the whole "curing autism" thing is BS.
Autism isn't a disease, it's just a personality type.



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01 Nov 2006, 12:43 pm

This subject: Im not going there



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01 Nov 2006, 2:24 pm

So many more problems are caused by abuse, and ignorance or parents or peers, that cause people (AS or NT regardless) to become hate-filled creatures who's only pleasure is pain in others, this is a MUCH more serious problem...

Also... I used to crave a cure, hating myself for being unable to tolerate such stress, until the day I realised, I can go places many can't go, I can create things that can take many people months to understand, I can lead a journey of discovery..

AWARENESS seems to be whats needed, not a cure... For every time I've mentioned aspergers or autism to anyone, they tell me its an excuse, that they know I'm very smart and I'm just too lazy to do anything about it... This can cause one to feel lesser and defective, when its a simple matter of ignorance.


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01 Nov 2006, 11:27 pm

Yupa wrote:
I think the whole "curing autism" thing is BS.
Autism isn't a disease, it's just a personality type.


I could see trying to cure low-functioning Autistics, but not Aspergers or HFA.


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01 Nov 2006, 11:56 pm

This potential exercise in eugenics disturbs me greatly... Eugenics was one of the major damning traits of the Nazis. Although the Germans were emulating old American policies of state-regulated sterilization of "feeble minded" individuals, the termination of pregnancies simply because of perceived autism, without being able to measure its degree or considering the potential benefits of mental diversity in our culture.



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02 Nov 2006, 1:23 am

:twisted: Cure it!! ! I dare you to. I double Dare you to! I want to "cure" sociopathic scientology following liars of all thier lies and false sense of accomplishment and worth until they can see through the eyes of someone who's actually tried. 8O

what do these people propose to do to "cure" autism anyway? is there some kind of magical pill or lesson plan that will make all sense and function come to fruition? (for the autistic mind)

the truth is

the "cure" is not a "cure" it is just another way for the NT's to "win" against those who are not.
ie as, autism, other developmental disabilities.
oh it's a "hassle" to deal with those AS types. jeez i forgot about how important it was to keep on lying to your next door neighbor about how lovely thier new haircut is, and how important your brand new car is etc etc.

what do they propose is a "cure"? i'll take a lesson planner if their willing to take off thier goddamn masks. speak in a language i can hear.

the only way to fight this is to fight them dirty and play them at thier own game.

stand strong. no fear. no emotion. keep playing. give only as much as you've been given.

seriously this issue pisses me off. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:



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04 Nov 2006, 12:15 am

It is my understanding that they do not have a cure for any on the Autistic Spectrum (they don't even have one for Down's), but that the prenatal test mentioned is a combined amnio karyotyping test which uses all those individual tests currently available for ASDs which are comorbid with things like Fragile X, PKU, etc., and which have already been genetically identified.

Most ASDs as of now cannot be genetically identified. As it stands, there's a HUGE number of genes involved and it is not constant throughout all genetically-complex ASDs.

My greatest worry is not a cure, but abortion. And prenatal tests are nearer in our future than a cure is. With a prenatal test using common markers for ASDs, the parents will then have the option to abort or not.

As it stands, the rate of Down's Syndrome abortions is not very comforting, in that 80-90% of Down's foetuses are aborted today. So many in fact that researchers are having more and more difficulties finding Down's people to research.


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