Your worst nightmare: Secular Radical Muslims

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29 Mar 2011, 12:19 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
Let's pick apart right-wing logic.

First some definitions:
  • Atheism: Lack of belief in the Christian god: the three-in-one trinitarian god of Father in Heaven, the son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit. This follows from the premises that there is only one true god and the Christian god is he. Since atheists do not believe in gods, it's self-evident that atheism applies to all non-Christians.
  • Secularism: The promotion of a government and public sphere separate from religious/spiritual life. Since this does not explicitly promote Christianity, it is atheist by default. Freedom of religion refers to the right to pick and choose among denominations of Christianity only rather than to a godless, secular state. To assure right-wingers that you are not promoting atheism, absolutely all communications must be prefaced by "by the grace of God" (e.g., "By the grace of God, this lunch-special menu published anno domini MMXI."); this is required even of preachers lest we fear they have converted to some paganism in the morrow. Anything less than restoring the Christian church to its historic role in the state is promoting atheistic secularism at the expense of religious freedom.
From this, it follows that Islam is a cult, not a religion, whose members are atheist since they do not worship the Christian god. Any agenda that promotes secularism also promotes radical Islam due to their shared atheistic goals.


This brilliant explanation almost makes perfect sense.


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29 Mar 2011, 4:45 pm

How does America becoming secular and atheist lead to Sharia Law?

Thats like saying starvation will lead to obessity.

How does one thing follow from the other?



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29 Mar 2011, 6:30 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
How does America becoming secular and atheist lead to Sharia Law?

Thats like saying starvation will lead to obessity.

How does one thing follow from the other?


Maybe they think secularists would allow sharia law based on PC, but thats a bit silly.



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29 Mar 2011, 6:37 pm

ikorack wrote:
naturalplastic wrote:
How does America becoming secular and atheist lead to Sharia Law?

Thats like saying starvation will lead to obessity.

How does one thing follow from the other?


Maybe they think secularists would allow sharia law based on PC, but thats a bit silly.


Not to mention that sharia law is not PC.


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30 Mar 2011, 3:17 am

naturalplastic wrote:
Attention hysterical people: Please get your story straight!

Europe is destined for sharia law, because all their wetbacks come from the muslim countries of North Africa and the Middle East.
The USA is destined for, not Sharia Law, but for a return to the Spanish Inquisiton. This is because our immigrants come form Latin America (which is mostly Roman Catholic).

I know that you cant help being hysterical. But-you know- look insane- OR look stupid- but dont do both!


I am not a Catholic, Latino, Muslim, or Middle Easterner, but I have to ask that you tone down your hateful language, as I'm sure I'm not the only one in this forum offended by it.

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30 Mar 2011, 12:38 pm

I had the feeling naturalplastic was being sarcastic.


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30 Mar 2011, 12:41 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
I had the feeling naturalplastic was being sarcastic.


Though there is a bit of truth to it in at least as far as census figures, population trends, and religious trends go.

At least with regard to Latin American population growth (which is predominantly conservative Catholic).


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30 Mar 2011, 12:44 pm

Latin Americans are predominantly cultural catholics, which is way different.


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30 Mar 2011, 1:08 pm

Vexcalibur wrote:
I had the feeling naturalplastic was being sarcastic.


Oh... Okay.
Well, I'm an Aspie, subject to taking things a bit too literally.
My apologies to naturalplatic.

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04 Apr 2011, 5:49 pm

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http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0311/52023.html

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"I have two grandchildren — Maggie is 11, Robert is 9," Gingrich said at Cornerstone Church here. "I am convinced that if we do not decisively win the struggle over the nature of America, by the time they're my age they will be in a secular atheist country, potentially one dominated by radical Islamists and with no understanding of what it once meant to be an American."

o_O

Let us panic now.




On a pedantic note, I will point out that it's possible for a country to be nominally secular, numerically dominated by atheists, but politically dominated by a cohesive religious minority.

But that's probably not what he meant. His quote was more likely a poorly expressed variant on the conservative meme that says Islam is going to fill the spiritual void left by Christianity, because nature abhors a vacuum, and so on.

It's undoubtedly true that the character of the US has changed hugely in the time that someone like Newt Gingrich has been alive. And I do not see why anyone is morally obliged to celebrate the fact. Of course, critical discussion concerning all the ways in which the US has changed over recent decades has been suppressed for so long I'm quite prepared to believe the majority of people who say their main concern is Christianity really mean it.

In which case , Gingrich can perhaps slightly console himself with the fact that - as naturalplastic points out - Mexican-derived Catholics are more likely to achieve political power in the US before Muslims do.

Anyway, I look forward eagerly to the next episode of "let's all laugh at what this conservative said!!"



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04 Apr 2011, 8:58 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
From this, it follows that Islam is a cult, not a religion, whose members are atheist since they do not worship the Christian god. Any agenda that promotes secularism also promotes radical Islam due to their shared atheistic goals.


your logic is bogus. Islam is a religion. It is a religion on steroids. An Islamic nation will never ever be an atheistic nation. If you take the Muslims at their word (I don't, by the way) it is you Trinitarians who have it all wrong. There is at most one God and the Trinity is not it because it is three.

It all goes back to the Jews. They had it right from the git-go. If God exists then He/She/It is One.

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