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05 Apr 2011, 11:40 am

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Anyways, here is Paul Ryan explaining the debt crisis in a short video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwv5EbxXSmE[/youtube]


You give me a video of a politician with their lips moving?

Are you that dense?


Contrary to popular belief, there are politicians out there that have integrity.



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05 Apr 2011, 11:54 am

Inuyasha wrote:
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Inuyasha wrote:
Anyways, here is Paul Ryan explaining the debt crisis in a short video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xwv5EbxXSmE[/youtube]


You give me a video of a politician with their lips moving?

Are you that dense?


Contrary to popular belief, there are politicians out there that have integrity.


Not on the national level, trying to run for president.

Especially not republican.


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05 Apr 2011, 3:28 pm

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Realistically we need to cut $2 trillion from the budget to balance it and stop the growth of the deficit.


quebec foxtrot tango


If you want to stop spending, you should stop increasing the number of people in the country.

I can think of about 12 million people we could get rid of today, and maybe more if we can get rid of their spawn too. That would save us about $1 trillion (probably more) over the next decade and liberate up to 1.9 million illegally occupied jobs.


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05 Apr 2011, 3:35 pm

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skafather84 wrote:
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Realistically we need to cut $2 trillion from the budget to balance it and stop the growth of the deficit.


quebec foxtrot tango


If you want to stop spending, you should stop increasing the number of people in the country.

I can think of about 12 million people we could get rid of today, and maybe more if we can get rid of their spawn too. That would save us about $1 trillion (probably more) over the next decade and liberate up to 1.9 million illegally occupied jobs.


The illegals are leaving on their own. If you want to clear out the rest, legalize all drugs and take the money from them.


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05 Apr 2011, 4:19 pm

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Not on the national level, trying to run for president.


Paul Ryan hasn't announced he is running for President.

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Especially not republican.


The political party that pushed the most corrupt piece of legislation in this country's history (i.e. Obamacare) was the Democrats not the Republicans.



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05 Apr 2011, 4:24 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Not on the national level, trying to run for president.


Paul Ryan hasn't announced he is running for President.


Nor have most of the candidates.


As far as the second part, I'll leave you with the forerunner of modern day republicanism and his beliefs:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ejvyDn1TPr8[/youtube]


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05 Apr 2011, 4:44 pm

Reducing the deficit 4-6 trillion over 10 years is basically meaningless. We're still increasing the debt by over 10 trillion. It's not a start, it's futile. You're not raising that in revenue either. The warfare-welfare state will die, be from choice or utter collapse, what we have cannot be sustained and it will end one day probably sooner than later. The difference will be whether we stay a prosperous nation or become a destitute fractured shell of a country. I imagine the people we owe money to will want to be paid back someday as well; and they'll come-a-knockin' to get what they're owed when it all collapses.



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05 Apr 2011, 4:48 pm

Mark Thoma: Ryan's Budget Plan Is Part Of GOP Strategy To Create Deficits And Use Them "As A Club Against Social Insurance Programs." University of Oregon economics professor Mark Thoma wrote:

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The game being played here has little to do with the budget itself. It is an ideological debate about the role and obligation of government. First, cut taxes for the wealthy to create a big hole in the budget, have a Great Recession aid the cause by stripping government at all levels of tax revenue, increasing costs of serving people, and creating short-run deficit problems (and a war here and there doesn't hurt the cause either), and finally use the deficit as a club against social insurance programs such as Medicare and Social Security.

The cover for the attempt to get government out of the social insurance game is the deficit, but deficit reduction is not the primary purpose. The goal to reduce the government's involvement in these programs by whatever means. If deficit reduction was, in fact, the primary goal, there are much better ways to do this than the Ryan plan, e.g. the market-based mechanisms in the ACA. [Economist's View, 4/5/11]


Krugman: "The Republican Plan Is A Giant Game Of Bait-And-Switch, Dismantling A Key Piece Of The Social Safety Net In Favor Of A Privatized System." New York Times columnist and Nobel Prize-winning economist Paul Krugman wrote:

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It's going to be just like the Social Security fight, only worse: once again, Very Serious People will pretend not to notice that the Republican plan is a giant game of bait-and-switch, dismantling a key piece of the social safety net in favor of a privatized system, claiming that this is necessary to save money, but never acknowledging that privatization in itself actually costs money. And we'll have endless obfuscation, both-sides-have-a-point reporting that misses the key point, which is that the putative savings come entirely from benefit cuts somewhere in the distant future that would, in all likelihood, never actually materialize. (What do you think will happen when retirees in 2025 discover that their Medicare vouchers aren't enough to buy insurance?) [NewYorkTimes.com, 4/5/11]


Baker: "Almost Everything In The Plan Has Been Tried And Failed." Dean Baker of the Center for Economic and Policy Research wrote:

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I want to join those in commending Representative Paul Ryan, but for a slightly different reason. Representative Ryan has provided a valuable service to the country by tossing out a piece of warmed-over dreck that calls for a massive upward redistribution from the nation's workers to the rich. This is clear to anyone who reads it.

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The reason why this is so useful is that there is nothing in the Ryan plan that has not been circulated in policy circles for decades. Almost everything in the plan has been tried and failed. The plan ignores obvious economic realities, such as the bubble-induced recession that has left 25 million people unemployed or underemployed. It doesn't lay a glove on the rich and powerful, while threatening to undermine the limited economic security enjoyed by tens of millions of middle class families.

Yet many pundits will applaud the plan as brave, innovative and creative. In making these pronouncements these pundits will immediately reveal themselves as worthless hacks who either lack the ability or desire to do their own thinking. Their endorsement of the Ryan plan will be like a scarlet letter permanently marking them as someone who has no place in a serious policy discussion. For this reason we owe Mr. Ryan a real debt of gratitude. [Center for Economic and Policy Research, 4/5/11]


IHS Global Insight Economist: "I'm Not Quite Sure What Assumption ... Would Deliver 2.8 Percent Unemployment." Nigel Gault of IHS Global Insight questioned conservative claims that the proposal would reduce the unemployment rate to 2.8 percent:
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Nigel Gault, Global Insight's chief U.S. economist, noted that in any economic model, forecasters make assumptions about labor supply, capital spending and other details that can affect the projections.

"I'm not quite sure what assumption... would deliver 2.8 percent unemployment," Gault said in an interview, adding: "We might assume different parameters." [The National Journal, 4/5/11]



http://mediamatters.org/research/201104050046

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06 Apr 2011, 12:54 pm

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Reducing the deficit 4-6 trillion over 10 years is basically meaningless. We're still increasing the debt by over 10 trillion. It's not a start, it's futile. You're not raising that in revenue either. The warfare-welfare state will die, be from choice or utter collapse, what we have cannot be sustained and it will end one day probably sooner than later. The difference will be whether we stay a prosperous nation or become a destitute fractured shell of a country. I imagine the people we owe money to will want to be paid back someday as well; and they'll come-a-knockin' to get what they're owed when it all collapses.


I get the feeling that this is the first of several budgets with huge cuts, and you have to admit this is a step in the right direction.

@ skafather84

I could care less what George Soros' and the DNC's lapdog better known as mediamatters says. They have no credibility and are a bunch of tax cheats, or did they finally change their tax status from a 501c?



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06 Apr 2011, 1:19 pm

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@ skafather84

I could care less what George Soros' and the DNC's lapdog better known as mediamatters says. They have no credibility and are a bunch of tax cheats, or did they finally change their tax status from a 501c?



I'm not posting it for you. I'm posting it for people who actually care about fact and analysis.


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06 Apr 2011, 1:23 pm

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Not on the national level, trying to run for president.


Paul Ryan hasn't announced he is running for President.

skafather84 wrote:
Especially not republican.


The political party that pushed the most corrupt piece of legislation in this country's history (i.e. Obamacare) was the Democrats not the Republicans.


I take it you watch a lot of faux news lol.


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06 Apr 2011, 1:29 pm

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Inuyasha wrote:
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Not on the national level, trying to run for president.


Paul Ryan hasn't announced he is running for President.

skafather84 wrote:
Especially not republican.


The political party that pushed the most corrupt piece of legislation in this country's history (i.e. Obamacare) was the Democrats not the Republicans.


I take it you watch a lot of faux news lol.


So much so that he'll use talking points from them verbatim on here when "debating" someone. I quote that word because he doesn't really debate so much as shove his fingers in his ears and yell "ICAN'THEARYOUICAN'THEARYOUGEORGESOROSONEBOUGHTABURGERFROMTHEMCDONALDSTHATEMPLOYEDAFUTUREWORKERATMEDIAMATTERSSOTHEY'REUNTRUSTWORTHYICAN'THEARYOUICAN'THEARYOU".

He also uses "uh" a lot when he thinks he's being clever in responding to someone. I think he gets that from Glenn Beck and trying to copy his overly dramatic style and pacing but instead it just comes off as a very limited writing style.


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06 Apr 2011, 3:56 pm

Is this seriously where the Republicans are going to hang their hats? I smell political suicide.

Cuts to medicare will not play well with seniors, who form a disproportionate segment of the Republican base. Creating fiscal transfer to facilitate buying private insurance could wind up leaving seniors with larger out-of-pocket medical expenses. This creates an electoral challenge for the Republicans not only in 2012 (when the issue will still be speculative) but also on an ongoing basis (if the speculation turns out to be true).

Program changes to medicaid have the potential to significantly reinforce the message that Republicans have no interest in helping the poor. But wait (as the shill says) there's more.

An expenditure savings of $5.8 over ten years is no mean feat--but the plan squanders over 70% of that savings on tax reductions. Now you have a recipe for the Democrats to assult the plan on two fronts--not only will the Republicans be "robbing" from the poor and the elderly, they will be "giving" the fruits of that robbery to the rich, while doing little to make a significant reduction in the deficit.

I don't see a winner here. How do you pull centrist voters into your tent in sufficient numbers to make up for seniors sitting on their hands on polling day--or worse, voting for the Democrats?

If this is, truly, the centrepiece of the Republican economic plan, then every incumbent and candidate in 2012 is going to have to defend them. The Republicans can kiss not just the White House, but their majority in the House good-bye if this is the program that they intend to follow.


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06 Apr 2011, 3:58 pm

Actually visagrunt, I don't think the Republicans have to worry about the Democrat smear campaign any longer. This isn't 1995, Fox News which you so often demonize has already caught the Democrats in the act of the smears, and also reported about Sen. Chuck Schumer's little telephone conversation that he forgot reporters were participating in. :lol:



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06 Apr 2011, 4:02 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
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Reducing the deficit 4-6 trillion over 10 years is basically meaningless. We're still increasing the debt by over 10 trillion. It's not a start, it's futile. You're not raising that in revenue either. The warfare-welfare state will die, be from choice or utter collapse, what we have cannot be sustained and it will end one day probably sooner than later. The difference will be whether we stay a prosperous nation or become a destitute fractured shell of a country. I imagine the people we owe money to will want to be paid back someday as well; and they'll come-a-knockin' to get what they're owed when it all collapses.


I get the feeling that this is the first of several budgets with huge cuts, and you have to admit this is a step in the right direction.


I'd prefer it to something with more spending I guess but we don't need just a step in the right direction, we don't have forever to solve this crisis, we need get where we want go and fast.



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06 Apr 2011, 5:29 pm

Inuyasha wrote:
Actually visagrunt, I don't think the Republicans have to worry about the Democrat smear campaign any longer. This isn't 1995, Fox News which you so often demonize has already caught the Democrats in the act of the smears, and also reported about Sen. Chuck Schumer's little telephone conversation that he forgot reporters were participating in. :lol:


Which do you think is going to stick in voters' minds, Inuyasha--a $4 trillion wealth transfer from the poor and the elderly to the rich, or the Schumer call?

Democrats don't have to smear this one--all they have to do is present the Republican's own numbers. Trillions of dollars in cuts to medicaid and medicare--trillions of dollars in tax cuts. Over and over again.


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