France Bans The Burqa

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The government has no business telling people what to wear or what not to wear. If a woman wants to wear a burqa, she should have the right to wear a burqa. If they don't want Muslims in their country then they should have the guts to not let them in.

The Burqa covers the face and makes identification difficult or impossible. Given the terrorist habits of Muslims, masked Muslims are a potential threat to peace, quiet, law and order. Masks of any sort should be banned especially in banks, railway terminals, airports and theaters where large crowds gather.

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Obviously you guys aren't familiar with France's politics. Our current president was the ex-minister of interior affairs, he handled municipal police and stuff in the suburbs. It is to my displeasure that mister Sarkozy is turning France into quite a fascist state, and you can be sure i did NOT vote for him these last elections, or ever.

Then you have xenophobic nuts in France (yes yes, they exist) like Jean-Marie Le Pen who wants to kick all immigrants out of France. He even has his own party, but from what i recently gathered, it should be his daughter that will lead the party, since he is growing older. =/

Even my uncle (Who's also my godfather) in Paris is getting too much pressure at work to continue enjoying it. =/ In my last conversations with him, he was even thinking of moving (maybe to Canada. ). He has other problems in his life, but those are not for the public ears. ^.-

Good on you, France. Hope the rest of the Western world do the same.

I've been thinking about this one and I am in two minds about it, firstly as a member of the forum has identified it is a misuse of legislation to specify clothing and a truly secular state would not take into account the religious status of any item of clothing.

On the other hand, a veil for women is oppression of female types in one way or another. Those who wear it are not free, even if they do so of their free will. In a truly liberal society we must ensure that all live freely, and if they do not want to be free, we must in the words of Rousseau force them to be free.

Yes true is also in the area of debate of national security vs the freedom of personal expression.
Then again the European human rights courts haven't had there final say it right now, so Sarkozy better be on his garde.

So I can wear my balaclava then?

You're right. It depends on the culture. Women in liberal muslim countries are raised in a society where its OK to wear Western clothing. Women from more conservative countries are brought up in a culture where they cover up. I'm not gonna say that the culture is not oppressive, but in a sense, they are choosing to wear the niqab if they are already in France. And also, if the women says she is doing it out of her free will, its probably true, remember, she is anonymous on camera (since she is covered up) so she has no fear to say that its forced on her if that was true.

This made no sense.

Again, she will bare any consequence that she freely chooses to engage in. You can argue that your private parts gets sweaty on a hot day. If you sneezed you can wash the clothing once you get home.

The French generally ignore any law they don't like. If there is mass popular support for the veil ban in France I can't see the ECHR being able to overturn that.

I wonder, does that include DOM-TOM citizens of France? They're mostly black and there is a sizable number of DOM-TOM citizens that amount to over 2.5 million people.

France's Front National is much more popular than the British equivalent, the BNP - considering that Le Pen only just avoided winning the French presidency in 2002.

Very true especially about way the buggers drive over there. Plus they ignore you ask if they speak English & explain why cos your French is piss poor, the reply back is "yes I speak English" & then have the cheek to keep on talking in French

I dont think anyone here gets how patriarchal things are for these women. They dont choose anything. Their husbands choose it all. Ok? Comprende?

They dont choose their husbands, their parents arrange it for them. They cant go to the store and buy a dress and wear it out somewhere. They cant show their face, or even their ankles. Some freedom. Just because a few women are so Stockholmed that they will defend those oppressive garments does not excuse it in my mind.

They would like to uphold the right to wear it, but meanwhile some other women would love to have the opportunity not to wear it but will never get that chance because they live in Saudi Arabia, or Afghanistan, or Yemen... and dont think that if women from these sorts of communities move to France, they suddenly sprout all the rights of western women, they will have to do what their communities tell them to do.

That's when you reply in kind and urinate openly on their floor. They'll start speaking English at that point.

tbh I don't really buy the terrorist argument. In every Muslim terrorist attack so far that I remember, they have worn modern Western dress. They don't want to draw attention obviously. Now I don't think they should be able to use burqas or face veils in IDs or whenever they have to be properly identified. I don't think it hurts anything out and about tho. I think this has more to do with them not wanting Muslims in their country.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/u ... 666149.ece

The thing is, The Prophet Mohammed did not stipulate women dress like that. A dislike of the burqa or niqab does not equal an intolerance of muslims, it is an intolerance of female oppression.