Some Christians Shun Easter Celebrations

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Nope, the actual Shabbat is the one kept by the Jewish people, which in the English naming of days is Saturday. Either way, it is not off topic, since if God is sovereign and intent does not matter - nor circumstance nor knowledge or the lack there of - then the Shabbat is the day of rest that is required to be followed as a weekly holiday. Have you ever done work or lit a fire on the Shabbat and what is the punishment for those who violate the Shabbat in Exodus 31:14-17, 35:2-3, and Numbers 15:29-36?

None of that has anything to do with the value of Christmas and/or Ishtar/Easter, and I do not let men judge me in my days.

I apologise if I am not knowledgable enough on the finer points, but you get the general gist.

I am glad to see someone else who agrees with me - and who appears to know a lot more about it than I do.

I wish there were some people like that near where I live ,who could help me and teach me more. I am still a baby in Christ, and have a long way to go!

In the sense that God gave the festivals to the Jewish people, many of them celebrating history which is also relevant to Christianity, God's festivals are also Jewish festivals and there is nothing wrong with celebrating them. Many Christians are taught to believe that Easter is equivalent to Pesach - the celebration of Passover and the feast of unleavened bread - and if they are actually celebrating a festival to some defunct Philistine deity due to the day that Easter's on or the semblance of the namesake, do you think that they are sinning thereby when they are taught to think of Easter as Passover?

Then judge not lest ye be judged according to your own measure, pressed down shaken together and running over. You are willing to judge others as heathen on the basis of their not following ceremonial Torah, but you are willing to be cavalier when the moral Torah is considered. Which has more importance, the ceremonial Torah or the moral Torah?

If they are keeping the passover in the way that God describes in the bible, then, no. I can't see how it would be a sin.

But if they are claiming to keep the passover by eating chocolate eggs and talking about bunnies and other symbols of fertility, then they are not keeping the passover at all, and if they think they are, they're just kidding themselves. They're celebrating some ancient fesitval related to fertility, that is totally unrelated to the passover, and it will probably bring the wrath of God on them to do so.

Oh, well then, would you argue that anyone who eats bread with yeast in it ought to be excommunicated? How many Christians do you know who have actually taken the time to read the Bible completely versus just following along with others in a crowd mentality?

You will do well to be wary of the preacher and to learn to "go with your gut" while listening to the testimony of the witnesses. I grew up within Christianity, and I have since learned (the hard way, one might say) to now be rid of all sectarian religion.

The Hebrews were "chosen" to bear witness, and the major part of that "witness" began with their deliverance from being enslaved in Egypt. It took a while for that "shot heard 'round the world" (see Proverbs 30:4) to travel, and in the meantime the Hebrews were told to begin "the counting of days" (lunar cycle for months and aviv barley to mark each new year) and they were given some permanent and "holy" (set apart) convocations (festivals, rehearsals, feasts or whatever), for both historic and prophetic reasons ... and none of that will be changed "until heaven and earth have passed away" (according to YahuShua, the son of the living Elohim).

Whoa, whoa, whoa! I have not judged anyone while merely reporting Christmas and Easter/Ishtar as being filthy heathen holidays.

@all_white: Tell him you are just now finding out there are actually very few!

You are beginning to sound like the Pharisees interrogating the Messiah!

Em, no. I would not. How is that relevant to Christians? We are no longer living under OT law and in the NT we are told we don't need to obey it (the Law) any longer. I'm confused. What's your point here, and how is it relevant to so-called Christians celebrating heathen festivals?

I would certainly argue that professing Jews ought to be doing all the things set out in the OT if they profess to be Jews, and am genuinely baffled as to how modern-day Jews can think they are saved, since I am not aware that (m)any of them are making animal sacrifices and as such they can have no basis for atonement of sin. Modern-day Judaism seems to be more of a cultural/traditional thing than anything else. But, like I said, I am not as knowledgable as most of you appear to be on here, so that may be an ignorant assumption.



None so far, in real life, not counting people I encounter on the Internet. That's exactly my point.

The people who are following the teachings of men or the festivals of the heathen are not real Christians at all. And it's not "judging" to say that. It's just stating an obvious fact. They are not following Christ's commandments and therefore they are not followers of Him.

Yes, I am very wary of preachers and have been to many different churches in search of fellow believers and sadly there are none. All the so-called churches are full of wicked blasphemy, teachings of men, and rebellion. As a general rule I have learned to be wary of anyone who has gone to "bible college" or been officially ordained by this body or that. Those people do not tend to have been called by God, and he doesn't normally bother to teach them anything, because they're too busy listening to their own selves (doubtless there are notable exceptions; don't shoot me down).



Maybe the reason for me being somewhat suspicious of the above explanation is that I have not yet reached the point you are at yet, but, to me, at the stage I am at just now, this doesn't make sense.

Don't you believe in typology or election?

If not, I guess you are yet another person who at first seemed like a fellow believer but turned out not to be one after all.

Are you a Jew?

I thought that the whole point of God chosing the Hebrews to bear witness and to be his chosen people was a form of prophecy using typology, to point to those who, in the future, would be God's elect in Christ.

Isn't that so? i.e. the Hebrews were a type of the elect. Abraham was a type of Christ. etc. etc.

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The Messiah "kept the law" perfectly, and he did not teach anyone they did not need to obey it. Again: Be wary of the sectarian preacher.


Within Christianity, "saved" is a sectarian term used much differently than within Scripture ... and Jews actually tend to have that one correct.

You would have to define those things for me before I could comment on them, but no, I do not place faith in doctrines or dogma.


I think I might have some very-distant lineage there, and I am a follower of the Messiah of Scripture.


I do not disagree with that kind of statement, but I do know Christianity grossly misrepresents it.

No, I know.He had come to magnify it, and make the stakes even higher. Not only was adultery a sin - Jesus now came along and said that even just LOOKING at someone and imagining the adultery was a sin. etc. etc. I know that, because someone once pointed it out to me. But if you read in the book of Acts, this very debate broke out amongst the apostles: should they be telling the new heathen converts to keep the Hebrew law?

The conclusion that was reached was this:

"abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well."

Every professing Christian should know that checklist, and avoid those things, but most of them have probably never even read that verse.

I don't know all the right Hebrew words and terminology, so I hope you'll pardon me if I make up my own to explain how I perceive things:

As I see it, the Hebrew law contained two types of commandments. Moral laws, and symbolical laws. (My own terms, as I'm not a scholar).The moral laws we must still obey. i.e. the ten commandments. But the symbolical laws (of which there were many hundreds) were actually a form of prophecy, and often seem random and bizarre until you uncover their true meaning. Paul gives us a clue when he decodes one of them, and explains in the NT that when God commanded the Hebrews not to muzzle the oxen who treads down the corn, he was in fact referring (in a sort of parable) to a time in the future when apostles would be dedicating their lives to preaching the gospel and would rely on financial support from those who they ministered to.

As I see it, we don't need to keep what I refer to as the symbolical laws, at least, not in their literal sense. We do need to be praying for the wisdom to de-code them and find out what their hidden meaning is, though. But of course we need to keep the moral ones. They are the standard by which we will be judged.

Does this all make sense?

It's a topic I find very interesting, but not exactly relevant to this thread!