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22 Apr 2011, 7:02 pm

ryan93 wrote:

Axis Position
1 left/right -3.4904 (-0.2101)
2 pragmatism +5.4909 (+0.3305)

Pragmatic Left? Really? I have Libertarian Ideals, wouldn't that put me at Idealistic Right?

I'm also libertarian and strangely I'm really close to the Y axis when I should be moderately right wing. I think it's cuz the questions pertaining to religion and authoritarianism place you further left if you disagree with statements supporting em.

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22 Apr 2011, 7:42 pm

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ryan93 wrote:

Axis Position
1 left/right -3.4904 (-0.2101)
2 pragmatism +5.4909 (+0.3305)

Pragmatic Left? Really? I have Libertarian Ideals, wouldn't that put me at Idealistic Right?

liberatianism is one of the classic liberalisms.

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22 Apr 2011, 7:44 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

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ryan93 wrote:

Axis Position
1 left/right -3.4904 (-0.2101)
2 pragmatism +5.4909 (+0.3305)

Pragmatic Left? Really? I have Libertarian Ideals, wouldn't that put me at Idealistic Right?

liberatianism is one of the classic liberalisms.

Your point is?

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22 Apr 2011, 8:01 pm

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ryan93 wrote:

Axis Position
1 left/right -3.4904 (-0.2101)
2 pragmatism +5.4909 (+0.3305)

Pragmatic Left? Really? I have Libertarian Ideals, wouldn't that put me at Idealistic Right?

liberatianism is one of the classic liberalisms.

Your point is?

libertarianism comes from the left so ... my point ... is ... it makes sense?

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22 Apr 2011, 9:32 pm

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I don't even think this quiz is remotely accurate, they put Stalin and Hitler way to close to right Center (and Stalin should actually be on the left not the right).

Wow, you take one remote, non-representative case that the quiz ADMITS is an extraneous example and whine about the whole quiz over it.

Reading the page where you got that from reveals...

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Paranoid dictator Josef Stalin collectivised agriculture in the USSR, killing millions in a man-made famine, and embarked on a reign of terror which lasted until his death in 1955 and left millions more imprisoned in the Gulag, or executed without trial.

(This survey is best suited to measuring the opinions of those living in modern Western democracies. Josef Stalin obviously doesn't fit into that category, so these results should be taken as loosely illustrative only.)

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22 Apr 2011, 9:36 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

AceOfSpades wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

AceOfSpades wrote:

ryan93 wrote:

Axis Position
1 left/right -3.4904 (-0.2101)
2 pragmatism +5.4909 (+0.3305)

Pragmatic Left? Really? I have Libertarian Ideals, wouldn't that put me at Idealistic Right?

liberatianism is one of the classic liberalisms.

Your point is?

libertarianism comes from the left so ... my point ... is ... it makes sense?

Classical liberalism is still right wing. It's only liberal by name.

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22 Apr 2011, 10:00 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

AceOfSpades wrote:

JakobVirgil wrote:

AceOfSpades wrote:

ryan93 wrote:

Axis Position
1 left/right -3.4904 (-0.2101)
2 pragmatism +5.4909 (+0.3305)

Pragmatic Left? Really? I have Libertarian Ideals, wouldn't that put me at Idealistic Right?

liberatianism is one of the classic liberalisms.

Your point is?

libertarianism comes from the left so ... my point ... is ... it makes sense?

Classical liberalism is still right wing. It's only liberal by name.

Right = Conservative? meaning defense of the status quo than maybe only in america ( a country found by enlightenment liberals).
Right = Authoritarian? than not at all.
y'all are just strange bedfellows cuz of shared interests.
like the money.
Libertarianism is a radical progressive Idea just not one that the people how like to call themselves progressives like.

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22 Apr 2011, 10:09 pm

Was John Stuart Mill a classical liberal?

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22 Apr 2011, 10:18 pm

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Was John Stuart Mill a classical liberal?

He's often considered in that group, but he deviates more from that group than a lot of the others are perceived as doing.

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22 Apr 2011, 10:47 pm

http://www.mendeley.com/research/illibe ... eral-view/

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22 Apr 2011, 11:02 pm

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1 left/right +0.1871 (+0.0113)
2 pragmatism +5.6583 (+0.3406)

Above center near nobody. Well I'm near some people who already posted, but not near any of the political figures on the diagram. I'm not sure this is the best test for literal thinkers.

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Services like health care, education and social security should be provided by the government, not by private enterprise.

Why do they add the 4 words at the end? I'm fine with those things being provided by the government. I'm not fine with excluding private enterprise from doing them though so I have to disagree with the statement.

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22 Apr 2011, 11:04 pm

1 left/right -14.6041
2 pragmatism +1.2009

I have no idea if it's accurate.
I put "no opinion" on at least ten because they were worded so ambiguously.

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22 Apr 2011, 11:14 pm

http://politics.beasts.org/scripts/resu ... =304705823

left/right -2.8720 (-0.1729)
pragmatism +0.0438 (+0.0026)

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23 Apr 2011, 1:32 am

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1 left/right -14.6041
2 pragmatism +1.2009

I have no idea if it's accurate.
I put "no opinion" on at least ten because they were worded so ambiguously.

Yeah the wording is either vague, loaded, or just plain sh***y. Aggressive foreign policies can put a stop to international terrorism? Well the extremists filled the void the Soviets left behind after they bailed out without cleaning up the mess, so establishing a Government and rebuilding the infrastructure are the biggest factors to instilling systematic stability. Well you do have to maintain a military presence while in the process of doing these things to deter other nations or organizations from taking over, but that's done to sustain the country in a state of vulnerability not to cause long term changes in their system. Am I supposed to agree cuz terrorists can't be negotiated with? Or am I supposed to disagree cuz establishing checks and balances within their system are what maintain stability in their society rather than military firepower? Plus nothing can put a "stop" to international terrorism since there will always be extremists.

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23 Apr 2011, 9:24 am

Master_Pedant wrote:

http://www.mendeley.com/research/illiberal-libertarians-why-libertarianism-is-not-a-liberal-view/

Doesn't help us.

The selection of archetypal liberals isn't neutral, as Rawls and Mill are both noted as left-wing. Variation within the political belief(or any label) is understated given that often these words match up to a family of ideas, rather than a single one(something I *thought* you were the one to bring up with the idea of igtheism). And a question still emerges on whether the paper hinges on a peripheral issue.

As it stands, we are left with a bit of a historical issue because there have clearly been pre 20th century libertarians, even though the label "libertarian" when applied to those beliefs was entirely a 20th century invention. What would those people be called? For instance, I am thinking of folks such as Frederic Bastiat, Herbert Spencer, and others, as it seems to me that they would still have to be considered classical liberals, even though they are libertarian/proto-libertarian, and well... the existence of proto-libertarian classical liberals seems to keep libertarianism a legitimate liberalism, if not just an off-shoot of liberalism.

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23 Apr 2011, 9:56 am

Axis Position
1 left/right -1.8151 (-0.1093)
2 pragmatism -0.4350 (-0.0262)

I am Tony Blair!! !

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