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24 Apr 2011, 10:08 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:

2, 4, 2.5, 2.5, 3, 3, 4, 2

The .5 system makes this all make a lot more sense. It doesn't seem technically valid in the original system, but definitely an improvement.

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24 Apr 2011, 10:13 pm

Master_Pedant wrote:

[Bolded Squarebrackets] represent my edits to JakobVirgil's system.

JakobVirgil wrote:

proposal,
the test consists of five subjects
you simply fill in the blank with
1 never
2 almost never [thanks count]
3 often
4 almost always
5 always

the word wrong is defined as morally wrong or ethically wrong
for those that like to be obtuse the scale is continuous on the interval [1,5]
give your answers in comma deliminated form
i.e 1,2,3,2,5,1,1 or 1,1,2.2,3,4,5,1 etc.

1. Abortion is ______ wrong.
2. War is _____ wrong.
3 The Market is _______ wrong. [M_P puts "2.5" as in sometimes", less than often but also less than "almost never"]
4 Government Intervention is _______ wrong. [See above]
5 Coercion is _______ wrong.
6 The Police are _________ wrong.
7 The Right is _______ wrong.
8 The Left is ________ wrong.

when I get enough data a sort of cladistic chart
to see how we relate to each other politically
and to see if the labels right and left have any meaning here.
oh and everything will be normalized so biased wording should not effect
the result
if you keep your comments in separate post data collection will be easier.

2, 4, 2.5, 2.5, 3, 3, 4, 2

bolds show the original system included fractional answers.
...
implying
. . . I need to work on my comunication skills

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24 Apr 2011, 10:24 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

bolds show the original system included fractional answers.
...
implying
. . . I need to work on my comunication skills

No, I just missed 'continuous'. What you stated made sense from a mathematical standpoint, but it really does not change my views that much anyway.

EDIT: Ok so maybe it does. Go back to my first post for the changes.

I think my data is going to be skewed because apparently I have the most anti-war view here. I think it is so wrong I'll use whatever I have to stop it, and no weapon is out of the question. Just end it.

EDIT #2: I have learned by posting here there will be a certain point where people do not look at these posts anymore. So when you say, "Well, that's nice that you want to fight me. What color paint do you want for the parking lots?" you can get away with it

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24 Apr 2011, 10:42 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

bolds show the original system included fractional answers.
...
implying
. . . I need to work on my comunication skills

No, for the most part, we misread you, and readings of other posters became part of the matter.

2, 4, 2.5, 3.7, 4, 4, 4, 4

Ok, modification has taken place. The rest I will not quibble about as much.

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24 Apr 2011, 11:55 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

Master_Pedant wrote:

[Bolded Squarebrackets] represent my edits to JakobVirgil's system.

JakobVirgil wrote:

2, 4, 2.5, 2.5, 3, 3, 4, 2

bolds show the original system included fractional answers.
...
implying
. . . I need to work on my comunication skills

Opps!! ! I guess since there was only one number with a decimal, I read it as another "," rather than a ".".

In that case, then...

1.5, 4, 2.5, 2.5, 3, 2.8, 4, 2

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25 Apr 2011, 12:34 am

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1. Abortion is never wrong.

Even when it's forced on a pregnant minor who doesn't want one by parents who make her medical decisions? What if it were forced on a pregnant adult by a government?

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25 Apr 2011, 12:44 am

1,4,3,2,4,2,4,2

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25 Apr 2011, 7:44 am

1 never
2 almost never [thanks count]
3 often
4 almost always
5 always

1. Abortion is ______ wrong.
2. War is _____ wrong.
3 The Market is _______ wrong.
4 Government Intervention is _______ wrong.
5 Coercion is _______ wrong.
6 The Police are _________ wrong.
7 The Right is _______ wrong.
8 The Left is ________ wrong.

A big problem for me: ALWAYS and NEVER if you are some hyperacademic truthseeking ennea-5 politically agnostic near anarchist spectral - Philologos, in other words - are ALMOST ALWAYS problematic because you ALMOST NEVER can be sure of absolutes.

Another problem is that these are not the only issues affecting political stance. Nor necessarily the most important. That said, I will play:

4, 3, 3, 3, 4, 3, 3, 3

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25 Apr 2011, 11:36 am

Philologos wrote:

Another problem is that these are not the only issues affecting political stance. Nor necessarily the most important. That said, I will play:

4, 3, 3, 3, 4, 3, 3, 3

Hey, picking a pattern isn't playing!!

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25 Apr 2011, 3:57 pm

I goy bored and did some calculation
Calculating the difference in peoples views
on a range of 0-32
0 being complete agreement of views and 32 being I choose all 1's and you choose all 5's
or some premutation of that .
choosing a distance of 5 as a good cut off point.
I made a relation.
there are 3 singletons Vexicaliber, Herr Grimm and the Count.

2 cliques chinatown master Pendant and myself
and chinatown master Pendant and Bethie.
all nodes on the graph with the exception on the singletons are mutally reachable .

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25 Apr 2011, 5:33 pm

1. Abortion is ______ wrong. Almost always.....except in the case that the mother might die

2. War is _____ wrong. Sometimes......it is the government's primary function to secure the peace and safety of it's citizens, and if war is a measure we need to enact, then so be it, just try to work it out with words or money first

3 The Market is _______ wrong. Sometimes???

4 Government Intervention is _______ wrong. In what?

5 Coercion is _______ wrong. Almost always....except for criminals

6 The Police are _________ wrong. Almost never.....except for corrupt policemen

7 The Right is almost always right.
8 The Left is almost always deft.

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25 Apr 2011, 9:09 pm

JakobVirgil wrote:

proposal,
the test consists of five subjects
you simply fill in the blank with
1 never
2 almost never [thanks count]
3 often
4 almost always
5 always

the word wrong is defined as morally wrong or ethically wrong
for those that like to be obtuse the scale is continuous on the interval [1,5]
give your answers in comma deliminated form i.e 1,2,3,2,5,1,1 or 1,1,2.2,3,4,5,1 etc.

1. Abortion is ______ wrong.
2. War is _____ wrong.
3 The Market is _______ wrong.
4 Government Intervention is _______ wrong.
5 Coercion is _______ wrong.
6 The Police are _________ wrong.
7 The Right is _______ wrong.
8 The Left is ________ wrong.

when I get enough data a sort of cladistic chart
to see how we relate to each other politically
and to see if the labels right and left have any meaning here.
oh and everything will be normalized so biased wording should not effect
the result
if you keep your comments in separate post data collection will be easier.

Ideas, actions and words topic

The thing is, I can view these statements as ideas, words or actions. As ideas, these statements can seem very neutral; as words, political, and as actions, many cannot be undone once started (ie, abortion, war). i prefer to deal with each as they surface, and prefer to debate some more than others. Some are too general, some are too specific. Since i am a centrist, I prefer to look at many sides of an issue to see how right and left formulate their pros and cons, and compromise based on what the opposing responses are. I do not fence sit as a position, only as a way of looking at the whole argument, though I will say that abortion is neither right nor wrong, as it is a personal choice and I will not enforce a position that will limit choice.

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25 Apr 2011, 9:22 pm

4,4,2,3,3,3,3,3

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25 Apr 2011, 9:39 pm

4,5,4,3,4,3,3,3

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25 Apr 2011, 9:42 pm

I average a 2.8 & I edited my answers:

1. Abortion - 4
2. War - 2.5
3 The Market - 2.5
4 Government Intervention - 2.5
5 Coercion - 4
6 The Police - 2.5
7 The Right - 3
8 The Left - 4

Circumstance is key in determining the morality of something. I find it odd that some people have 1's and 5's... their certainty is frightening.

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25 Apr 2011, 10:28 pm

MarketAndChurch wrote:

1. Abortion - 4
2. War - 3
3 The Market - 2
4 Government Intervention - 3
5 Coercion - 4
6 The Police - 2
7 The Right - 3
8 The Left - 4

Circumstance is key in determining the morality of something. I find it odd that some people have 1's and 5's... their certainty is frightening. As for the test... I would prefer "Sometimes" over "Often" or as an option.

Since the system allows decimal numbers (i.e. 1.5, 3.7, 2.5, etc) you can use "2.5" as a de facto "sometimes".

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