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AceOfSpades
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02 May 2011, 4:16 pm

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Because the initial post is valid in either sense. One could say that Bachman wants something -civilization- for nothing -no taxes-. Or that she feels a personal sense of entitlement. Either way, Vex's post makes sense.

You are quibbling over the meaning of the word, rather than addressing the overarching point of teabaggers' attitudes towards taxes and ignorance of history.
In either sense? Something for nothing is feeling entitled to sowing what others have reaped. Feeling entitled to reaping what you've sowed is a different thing. That's why I made the distinction. Less taxes means you reap more of what you sow, more taxes mean you reap more of what others have sowed. A sense of entitlement per se isn't the problem, it is feeling entitled to what others have worked for. This isn't pointless semantics, it is what the phrase is commonly associated with.



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02 May 2011, 7:13 pm

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This woman feels so entitled to not paying taxes that she compared getting a fair tax to the Holocaust:
http://www.startribune.com/politics/nat ... 23944.html


They're not at all comparable-
the Holocaust wasn't committed against good Christian folk.


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02 May 2011, 8:41 pm

Bethie wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
This woman feels so entitled to not paying taxes that she compared getting a fair tax to the Holocaust:
http://www.startribune.com/politics/nat ... 23944.html


They're not at all comparable-
the Holocaust wasn't committed against good Christian folk.


Are you forgetting that Freemasons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholic & Protestant clergy were victims of the Holocaust



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02 May 2011, 8:43 pm

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Crack pot.

Income taxes have been going down for my entire adult life. We have more "economic liberty" now than when I entered the work force.

Fact.


Its not about what YOU are paying now.. its what your grandkids will be paying. As things are right now taxes must be increased and budgets must be drastically trimmed.

Its funny to see how so many refer to the old days.. the 50s to the 80's as basis for economic power of the US...and fail to realize that post WW2 the US was the only nation whose industry and infrastructure had not been slagged to hell several times over.

Start the 80's the Euro and Asian nations that got hurt in the war had rebuilt and their economies and infrastructure started rolling big time. That's when the US began to slowly and steadily lose its industrial dominance....US markets adapted following profits by outsourcing and globalizing.Now it barely has industrial output compared to these other nations and that is very,very bad.

Right now the US simply has a huge consumer market and has spent the last of its 'good times' savings money and borrowing like mad. 14 trillion in debt ... and counting.



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02 May 2011, 11:14 pm

Come on, Bachmann is almost certainly developmentally disabled. Making fun of her intellect is like punching a crippled kid.



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03 May 2011, 12:08 am

AceOfSpades wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
This woman feels so entitled to not paying taxes that she compared getting a fair tax to the Holocaust:
http://www.startribune.com/politics/nat ... 23944.html
Once again you've missed the point. The phrase "sense of entitlement" doesn't refer to a sense of entitlement per se, but it refers to wanting something for nothing.


Wanting protection of your assets whilst paying lower taxes than everyone else most likely comes from a sense of entitlement. Because after all it is getting stuff from free. And comparing the loss of your free stuff to the Holocaust kind of turns her sense of entitlement up to eleven. Whether you like it when the other side uses the argument or not does not mean the other side is not making sense.

And I mean, it makes as little sense to expect Richer people to pay a higher percentage as it is to expect them to pay a lower one. Specially because the more stuff you have the more work the government truly is doing for you, whether directly or indirectly.


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03 May 2011, 12:10 am

cdfox7 wrote:
Bethie wrote:
Vexcalibur wrote:
This woman feels so entitled to not paying taxes that she compared getting a fair tax to the Holocaust:
http://www.startribune.com/politics/nat ... 23944.html


They're not at all comparable-
the Holocaust wasn't committed against good Christian folk.


Are you forgetting that Freemasons, Jehovah's Witnesses, Roman Catholic & Protestant clergy were victims of the Holocaust


Apparently not good Christians, or they would have sworn greater allegiance to His holy Fuhrer.


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03 May 2011, 3:18 pm

AceOfSpades wrote:
LKL wrote:
Because the initial post is valid in either sense. One could say that Bachman wants something -civilization- for nothing -no taxes-. Or that she feels a personal sense of entitlement. Either way, Vex's post makes sense.

You are quibbling over the meaning of the word, rather than addressing the overarching point of teabaggers' attitudes towards taxes and ignorance of history.
In either sense? Something for nothing is feeling entitled to sowing what others have reaped. Feeling entitled to reaping what you've sowed is a different thing. That's why I made the distinction. Less taxes means you reap more of what you sow, more taxes mean you reap more of what others have sowed. A sense of entitlement per se isn't the problem, it is feeling entitled to what others have worked for. This isn't pointless semantics, it is what the phrase is commonly associated with.

yes, it is pointless semantics. Even if you don't accept that either version works with Vex's statement, you're arguing over his wording rather than his point.