UN Ignores Its Own Data to Promote Gun Ban

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Of course. And yet very few people seem to learn from history. Or revisionist history becomes popular when the lesson is too shameful to some people and it serves their agenda better to rewrite it in their favor. (*cough Confederate/Third Reich/etc apologists cough*)

My boyfriend comes from a rich family and has a six-figure income, and I come from well-heeled independent business owners and farmers. In other words, we're "old money," so it's my prerogative to hate the nouveau riche. They're overgrown white trash! They have no taste at all, no real sense of values or duty, and they'll squander every penny they have before they have a foot in the grave!

On the article itself? I think it's crap. You learn your first day of a high school level intro course on stats that correlation does not equate to causality. If it's not in the syllabus in big, bold letters, drop it and get another instructor.

More importantly, I see nothing in the article that corresponds with the claim being made by the OP, and it makes the OP look either stupid or mendacious.

Honestly, I don't get some people's affection for guns. I don't pretend to. It's just that I get really tired of people who exercise the mentality, "I own guns. I don't want to lose my right to own a gun. Therefore, restrictive gun laws must cause homicides in Eastern Mongolia."

I don't even make a pretense of knowing one way or the other how gun laws affect anything. I've stopped caring, and I don't want to humor anyone's stupid, ass-backwards arguments about it. The only thing that concerns me on the subject is how some people are just so terrified of Uncle Sam coming to take their toys away, they're willing to believe just about anything to the point where reason goes straight out the window.

Quite frankly, the first guy who responded to me was one of the few I've ever seen who have a remotely intelligent view on it, in spite of how I blew up when I responded back. The way he sees it, he has an absolute right to own a lethal weapon. He didn't try to feed me any perversions of statistics, but he just said simply that he thinks it's a right that he's entitled to on the same level as equality and justice.

I PERSONALLY don't see it that way, but I'm not going to pitch an argument against it because I really don't care that much. I'm really not stupid enough to think that our gun laws are ultimately what determines my safety and health.

Hey, maybe I'll start to care if someone could actually show me a credible statistic as to whether our gun laws, one way or the other, have more effect on my personal well-being than people who are drunk drivers.

Even if you took it up, you would have to prove it to my individual satisfaction, and it would have be from a source that is credible and recent. I determine "credibility" based on the minute details of a study and how it was conducted, and that includes where and how it is cited.

And either way, I think that the kinds of people who do go around "packing heat" are hostile, paranoid jerks. Seriously, if I see a bulge indicating the presence of a concealed weapon, the first thing I think is, "white trash." I wouldn't hire that person for a job. I wouldn't talk to that person. I wouldn't want to look that person in the eye because I don't want to have anything to do with some jerk who thinks he has to carry a gun around in case he has to shoot me. I see it as tacky and low-class.

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There are many reasons to want off this planet. The U.N. being among them. May God forbid that they ever have any real power to enforce their dictates.

Please, with an attitude like that, do everyone a favor and call one of them that to their face. They'll probably have enough self control to do nothing but hopefully you'll still need to change your diaper.

My first thought is 'undercover cop'... hm

Do they allow for ownership or carrying of firearms in Canada?

I've never looked into it so I'm not sure but I believe only police officers can carry

Are you serious?

Ahem. Like I said, I tend to assume that the kind of people who think they have to go around "packing heat" are white trash. Here, my friends, is a prime example of why.

Enough said, thank you.

I thought so too. It seems like nations that tend to have populaces in general agreement with America's "democrats" tend to also favor disarming their populaces. The rhetoric of the anti-gun lobby, you know so much to do about safety in the household and whatnot, sounds okayish in an abstract sense, but the effect is to remove the ability of civilians to defend themselves and that is a rather undesirable situation. Perhaps my feelings about it personally stem from a desire not to see WWII and other history repeated. If the UN is actually expressing a desire to remove an ability of people to defend themselves at range, this also would be unnerving.

Well, I know a fair deal of people who are gun owners, but there doesn't seem to be a strong feeling of needing to carry weapons for defense. I also don't feel most of us feel in line with the democrats, as ideologically I would almost put our Conservative Party somewhere between your Democrats & Republicans but with the worst of both and the benefits of neither, as I can think of a few good Republican politicians off hand whereas our Conservative Party seems rather dishonest as a general rule (they were, after all, held in contempt of parliament). The only good thing about our recent election imho is that the long gun registry is supposed to be scrapped

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That is rather unfriendly of you. 'keet is a very intelligent guy, he is definitely not white trash. Thank you

WilliamWDelaney wrote"

Hmmm……..in my state we have a huge number of heat packers including me. Just so I’ll know what I and my fellow Floridians are in your eyes, what exactly is your definition of “white trash”?
Be specific.



That’s paranoia! WTF makes you think every (or any) CCW holder has it in for you?
So far about everything you’ve posted in this thread gives the impression you have some kind of disorder far worse than Asperger’s or whatever other autism spectrum issues you have.
Bipolar or something?

Gladly!

In 2007 (the most recent year I can get statistics for), 12,632 died in a firearm homicide and 12.998 died as the result of a DUI accident. 48,676 were shot in a violent crime, and I can't find a set of statistics for the whole country, but 30,783 were injured as the result of a DUI accident just in California alone.


For gunshot statistics: http://www.cdc.gov/injury/wisqars/index.html you will have to enter the data into the search engine because it won't give me a link.
For national DUI deaths: http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811016.PDF
For CA DUI injuries: http://www.chp.ca.gov/switrs/pdf/2008-sec5.pdf


You will never know someone even has a licensed concealed weapon unless you attempt to commit a violent crime against them. They don't want to use it and if they have to pull it out, it's been a really bad day for them. They carry it because they just want to be left to their own business. The wild west shootout and blood in the streets myth has been thoroughly disproven.

I've yet to get spotted carrying, and I've been doing it daily for years. Aside from carrying every day at work, I've carried in front of more cops than I can count including into the secured area at the county jail (got waved around the metal detector) and into all sorts of places where the practice is supposed to be forbidden; never been made once. Anyone who claims they can always tell when someone is carrying is lying, especially the police. Someone with bulges under their clothing is far more likely to be packing a cell phone than anything else, discretion is the word with concealed carry.

The U.N. is a third world kaffee klatch and a very corrupt and evil organization. It should be dissolved. But not before it pays the parking fines owed to New York City. The U.N. owes NYC billion of dollars in parking fines.

ruveyn