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Master_Pedant
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15 May 2011, 2:20 am

Orwell wrote:
You commie bastard. :P


At worst, I'm a Fabian, at best probably a centre-left social democrat.


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15 May 2011, 2:30 am

At the very least you're a Communist sympathizer.

Atheists of WP, can we really have someone so un-American as to sympathize with Communism as the leader of the Strident Atheists? Vote NO to godless Communism. Vote YES for real leadership and the sound economic principles of IngSoc. Vote ORWELL 2011. Big Brother is watching you.


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15 May 2011, 2:50 am

Orwell wrote:
At the very least you're a Communist sympathizer.


I do have sympathies for left-libertarianism, in spite of my belief that any practical form of partial industrial democracy requires a sturdy State Appartus.


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15 May 2011, 8:26 am

Master_Pedant wrote:
Uh, I don't quite think it's as outdated as you think. There has been quite a bit of hardening of class divisions in recent years under financial capitalism, even if worker's wealth is getting better in "absolute" terms (real wages have been stagnate for years, though). Marx, if I understand correctly, was also one of the few people to emphasis "technological advancement" as a core element of economics and thought that corporations would take "capitalism to the next level" (he was right).

Still, this doesn't justify Marxism, and..... ok, I try to play the middle too much here sometimes, but Marx's Labor theory of value, just isn't a good social scientific perspective. The reason being that value just isn't a matter of labor, and areas where this happens to be the case that the two aren't the same are just way too common for us to ignore.

I mean, from what I understand, he didn't have a bad sociological perspective, but.... his economic views, being so dependent upon the labor theory of value, just.... cannot be accepted by modern value subjectivism.