Are you a believer?

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I might be the only person who posted here to get that reference...

Till you said that I only took the obvious base reference.

I am not sure even Number 1 Son wiouuld have got it, if their stuff is enough off his genres.

I would have thought it is you who needs to explain yourself. It is after all you who believes in the existence of a supernatural creator, it is you who ignores (willfully or otherwise) the advances in science that make the belief in an almighty creator increasingly ignorant and irrelevant, it is you endorses and promotes this belief with absolutely no evidence.

BTW the above should also help to explain why I do not believe in super natural monsters

"I don't believe that. I can't."
"Oh, you don't? Well, why don't you forget all that, and just START believing,
and then ask the being in which you already believe if he exists or not,
and whether everyone is in fact correct to presume that said entity owns a penis."

Logic FAIL.


Some of us don't hold beliefs based on "wants" but on empirical evidence.

I would love to believe there's a magical benevolent Goddess "out there" who will at some undetermined point show up to save me.

But I can't.

If we all belong to God, He doesn't just own a penis. He owns OVER THREE BILLION PENISES.

When i didn't understand Orthodox Christian Religion, i tough I'm an agnostic, when i realized that Orthodox Christian Religion don't imagine God like man how was my wrong opinion, i realized that I'm whole life Orthodox Christian. One Monk before 2 years ago helped me relive my heart, i heard and feel like little wind and how big lighting ball came from my heart, in that moment i was connected with whole cosmos,i give and received big freedom, big energy,big love, ...it is hard explain that. God is Love.

You are describing a mystical experience. It was a much more common thread in Christianity in the first few hundred years after Jesus's death. The church was ruthlessly effective in suppressing this history when they were consolidating their power and expanding their empire.

Not to mention that part about Augustine or Thomas Aquinas having doubts concerning when the soul imparts into a newborn. But it is OK, you are allowed to choose only certain things to make yourself look good.

Augustine was central to the corruption of the Christian body. His articulation of a particular set of doctrines was leaned on heavily by the church. I can't regard his influence as a positive one...

Well, he did belong once to a cult that forbade procreation. What do you expect?

No, I'm an atheist. I used to attend a pentecostal church when I was a kid, however, the more I learned about the history of Christianity and actually read the bible and the history behind it, the more I understood that "god" was an idea created by man that had all the flaws of man.

If you had a kid, would there be anything so terrible and so wrong that would make you want to lock your kid in a basement forever and set it on fire?

I want share this video without translation:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... 060584309#
i can't find with translation, but it is very easy understand what for is? My idea is, we have lot of water in self, who has connection with water in whole cosmos, when we pray for self or for other, we make order in water in self. Beside maybe isn't strong prove for this, i believed since childhood, beside never read or listened for it, so this video just have gave me attest for my believes.

It is hard to explain soul with words, words are for conversation with people, it is wrong understand in letter that is like father put bad kid in fare. God is love and no one put in fire, it is like order in nature, if you hurt someone, hurt self, that is just reminder for rules in nature of soul, we are all in connection. So, that fire isn't like we imagine, fire is condition in soul if we make sin, i understand sin like hurt self or hurt others or nature.

Ok. You know what? Forget that I said "Atheist People Have To Explain Themselves". All I want to know is that if you believe in Him, good, If you don't, okay I understand.

"Boy, when I put 'Atheist People Have To Explain Themselves', I was thinking 'Whoa! This is embarrassing! What was I thinking?! I shouldn't have put that!"

"My sincerest apologies."

I'm not a believer. But I'm not a disbeliever either.

It's okay, man. Really.

The easiest way to understand this is to try to absorb in your mind one simple fact.

It is programmed very deeply into your firmware that your thoughts and the world around you are two entirely different aspects of reality. It is almost reflexive for you to ask, "when I die, where do I go from there?"

On the other hand, some people have it planted very deeply in their minds that their thoughts and feelings can be explained adequately according to the same matter and energy that their automobiles are built out of. This is just as deeply developed in their minds as your concept that you have an immortal soul.

Now, some atheists have a great deal of difficulty understanding how your concept of a "soul" can be so profoundly imbedded in your mind, but some of us are imainative enough to understand the point that, in your world, it is stark reality.

Another important thing to acknowledge is that you, unlike most atheists, believe that your consciousness is immortal. There is no concept in your mind that your consciousness will cease to exist. In fact, when you attempt to embrace the concept of "oblivion," you are still trapped in the idea, "well, what then?"

To the atheist, we almost reflexively accept the fact that our consciousness is a bodily function like any other. Our purview is that, when our bodies can no longer carry out this function, thought is something that will no longer take place.

Believe me, I know this is weird for you. However, as radical as the concept might be to you, understanding atheists requires you to imagine seeing a bad mood in a similar light to how you would view a bad case of indigestion. The dependence of our thoughts on the functions of our bodies is really that real in our minds.

In fact, atheists find these ideas to be so obvious that sometimes they can grow impatient with religious people like yourself. To them, it is a failure to see something that is readily obvious. In fact, some atheists cannot even imagine the concept that their thoughts are actually a function that is separate and apart from their bodies.

It simply follows suit from there that, if consciousness is no more than a function of matter and energy, the conception of our universe needn't have had at its origin a "mind" to have conceived it. The very concept that human thought is a product of inanimate matter gives rise to the concept that the creative force behind the cosmos can be reduced to moving parts.

It is simply the natural "comfort zone" of the atheist to see the universe in terms of "gears and sprockets." This doesn't mean that you are obligated to have the same comfort zone in your own thoughts, but I think it would help you a great deal to understand that these concepts of the world really can be that deeply ingrained in those of us who are atheistical or otherwise "non-religious."

Does that help?